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Old 01-30-2018, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by 98hotrodfatboy
Not knocking the cam, the designer or the dyno sheet but I would like to see it tuned by another on a 250i. There's not enough evidence except for one person one Dyno.....

Me and Darin are different people with different dynos. Both 250i's. Yes, he is using 8 and I am still using 7 but the 2-3 difference you will see on all dynos and correction factors will always be there. It always has been. None of it has to do with the outstanding tq curve that these produce.


I am not trying to start an argument, but I have to ask. How many people out there got their bike tuned, and then went to another dyno to validate the first dyno numbers? I have done it, and a really good customer did it with yet another dyno. I have also tuned after a legend in his own mind and got the same power numbers but bike pick up time at the track. After 3 different comparisons. I am pretty confident in where mine falls.
 
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They are very good cams. But the results you see from Sheffer follow a particular set of intake and exhaust that he uses after extensive testing. If you deviate from this you will have different results. Very good of him to share his results with everyone. He put in a lot of work to get where he is.
 

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Originally Posted by bklynbob
They are very good cams. But the results you see from Sheffer follow a particular set of intake and exhaust that he uses after extensive testing. If you deviate from this you will have different results. Very good of him to share his results with everyone. He put in a lot of work to get where he is.
I have heard the same from other well-known builders....
 
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about the CR cams, don't forget that the 570 became the 570-2, with a few degree difference in the exhaust lobe
 
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I just installed the Cyclerama 570-2 cams and they really brought the bike alive, very noticeable difference, bike pulls hard from idle up and no noticeable drop off at high RPM , this is only the seat of the pants feeling but that is what OP asked for. Very happy with these cams.


Here are the correct 570-2 specs

INT Open 14 Close 32 Lift .570 Duration 226 TDC Lift .151
Ex Open 50 Close 0 Lift .560 Duration 230 TDC Lift .140
 

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Another cam to consider is Woods 999-6A. It does well in the bottom and carries out better than the 222. Here is my recent sheet on my 2014 flhx, stock heads and cylinders, 2/1 exhaust. This cam is exhaust sensitive and requires 2/1.

 
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That does carry a nice area under the curve..... Nicely done...
 
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Originally Posted by bklynbob
They are very good cams. But the results you see from Sheffer follow a particular set of intake and exhaust that he uses after extensive testing. If you deviate from this you will have different results. Very good of him to share his results with everyone. He put in a lot of work to get where he is.
Yes it is good of Daren to share his results which are top shelf and indicate a lot of time and effort in testing etc.
Also, I can appreciate tuners not wanting to send out their maps (share tuning parameters etc), of a cam I want to buy from them.
I went the Fuel Moto route (already bought the PV off them two years ago), and bought 222 cams off Eastern PC for $350. Ten bucks difference than CR (which provide better paper numbers), but, really will I feel any difference riding my 222?
My theory is I now won’t have to shell out 3 hrs for a dyno because the next day FM mailed me a 222 map.
 
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