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Old Nov 4, 2016 | 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by multihdrdr
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Just one (correct sized) shim/spacer....under the "Primary" side bearing (Left-Front and Right Rear on your bike)

The Shim/Spacer is for using the thinner 25mm ID x 15mm wide Non-ABS bearing or 18mm wide ABS bearing in wheels designed for the wider 21mm wide bearings (3/4 & 1"ID)

The 08-later spacer sleeve is the same regardless of whether equipped with ABS or not. The difference in 3mm between the ABS 18mm and STD 15mm widths is dealt with in the "Primary" side spacing. The ABS combo sensor/spacer is 3mm shorter/thinner than the Non-ABS spacer.

Your 2008 just happens to use those same parts from the factory (that's why i said you could rob the parts if needed) because it was the first year for 25mm ID x 15mm/18mm bearings, but still using the earlier wheels designed for the wider 1" ID x 21mm wide bearings. In 2009 they redesigned the wheels for the thinner bearings and no shim/spacer was needed.

Your Rear has a shim also (on the Right side), but slightly different thickness.

Parts...
43903-08 ($21.73 List) FRONT Bearing Spacer/Shim
41900-08 ($10.19 List) Bearing Spacer Sleeve (08-later touring)




OR 41454-08B ($79.95 List) FRONT Wheel Install Kit ('08-later Front Touring with ABS) (Kit includes the above two items)

So yesterday I attempted to again install my new 21" wheel. I removed my factory spoke wheel and there is not a shim behind my ABS bearing as you stated there would be.
 
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Old Nov 4, 2016 | 12:39 PM
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"2008 SG axle sleeve length with Abs, wheel help"

Does your Street Glide wheel look like below? or is it a laced spoke wheel?
Is it a 16x3? (not 17x3 or 18x3.5)





Post Photos(s) of your parts

This is just looking for an explanation...it's kind of a moot point for getting your new wheel to fit.
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Old Nov 4, 2016 | 01:01 PM
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It's a laced spoked wheel, chrome spokes. 16" wheel with abs. I just spoke to Dna customer service, they said I will need 2 bearing shims and a crush sleeve.

I'll get some pictures taken and post them as soon as I get to my shop where my bike is.
 
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Old Nov 4, 2016 | 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by multihdrdr
"2008 SG axle sleeve length with Abs, wheel help"

Does your Street Glide wheel look like below? or is it a laced spoke wheel?
Is it a 16x3? (not 17x3 or 18x3.5)





Post Photos(s) of your parts

This is just looking for an explanation...it's kind of a moot point for getting your new wheel to fit.
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16"chrome spokes wheel, laced. No bearing shim. I spoke to Dna customer service, I will need 2 shims and a axle crush tube in order to install wheel.
 
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Old Nov 4, 2016 | 02:54 PM
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Just for discussion purposes...
Have you owned that 2008 since new? The cast wheels used in 2008 definitely used a shim and Harley also calls out using a shim for the Laced spoke wheel used in 2008. If you're not the original owner, maybe it's been swapped out for a 2009-later 16x3 wheel.


But the focus now is on the fitting the 21" DNA...

I don't know why DNA says to use 2 shims other than they think you need to fill (but not completely fill) the void created on Right Non-Primary bearing side when moving to the thinner bearings. But you really may not want to do that. Harley doesn't do it when are in this same exact situation.

Yes the sleeve will be different than the one in Their wheel. You'll will need to use your 2008-later sleeve, regardless of whether your bike having ABS or not

Measure your 08 sleeve...should be just under 5-1/4" (~5.225")


I found something interesting in re-reading your OP, you say the DNA had 3/4" bearings...What application did DNA says this wheel is for? Does it have dual discs? All Touring front wheels from 2000-current were either 1" or 25mm.
 
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Old Nov 5, 2016 | 02:36 AM
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Originally Posted by multihdrdr
Just for discussion purposes...
Have you owned that 2008 since new? The cast wheels used in 2008 definitely used a shim and Harley also calls out using a shim for the Laced spoke wheel used in 2008. If you're not the original owner, maybe it's been swapped out for a 2009-later 16x3 wheel.


But the focus now is on the fitting the 21" DNA...

I don't know why DNA says to use 2 shims other than they think you need to fill (but not completely fill) the void created on Right Non-Primary bearing side when moving to the thinner bearings. But you really may not want to do that. Harley doesn't do it when are in this same exact situation.

Yes the sleeve will be different than the one in Their wheel. You'll will need to use your 2008-later sleeve, regardless of whether your bike having ABS or not

Measure your 08 sleeve...should be just under 5-1/4" (~5.225")


I found something interesting in re-reading your OP, you say the DNA had 3/4" bearings...What application did DNA says this wheel is for? Does it have dual discs? All Touring front wheels from 2000-current were either 1" or 25mm.
Thank you very much, I finally got my new wheel installed today. You were right about the shim. I am so grateful for this forum and people on here such as you.
 
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Old Nov 5, 2016 | 06:38 AM
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multihdrdr Could you please tell me if your ABS unit fit inside of the wheel before you installed the 43903-08 ($21.73 List) FRONT Bearing Spacer/Shim? I am helping out another customer who is doing something entirely different but needs the clearance for rotor hub spacers & ABS. I was going to think this through this weekend for a solution & your information will help on clearance. The difference between a 1" & 25mm thickness bearing is 21mm - 15mm = 6mm/0.236" and with just the 52mmx15mmx25mm bearing inside of the 2008 wheel with the ABS sensor installed, does the wheel spin without hitting the sensor? By my calculations with the 25mm ABS bearing pressed in all of the way to the left side wheel bearing shoulder and the ABS sensor can only go in before hitting the chrome ABS shoulder 0.184". That would leave a gap in theory of (-0.052"). All of this is under the assumption that your new DNA hub has the same size wheel cavity (it must) as a 1" and when your new wheel was shipped to you the 52mmx21mmx3/4" was exactly flush with the outside of the bearing cavity. Thanks in advance.

 
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Old Nov 5, 2016 | 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Deltyree
Thank you very much, I finally got my new wheel installed today. You were right about the shim. I am so grateful for this forum and people on here such as you.
Thanks for coming back with an update

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Old Nov 5, 2016 | 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by FastHarley
multihdrdr Could you please tell me if your ABS unit fit inside of the wheel before you installed the 43903-08 ($21.73 List) FRONT Bearing Spacer/Shim?...
C'mon FH, there's only 3 people on this thread (excluding you).

I'm the one trying to help...Deltyree is the one with DNA wheel



But I'll offer up this info...

You have acknowledge that the 21mm wide bearings wouldn't be flush, but recessed instead. In a "Touring" wheel designed for 21mm Wd bearings, the Left-Front "Primary" Bearing is recessed approx .110". So you need to figure that in.

One way...
21mm bearing recess + 3mm (21mm brg - 18mm ABS brg)
.110" + .118 (3mm) = .228"

.228"
ABS Brg Recess in a 21mm wd brg designed wheel...the .184" sensor/spacer is going to rub
 
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Old Nov 5, 2016 | 12:46 PM
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I am sorry but I meant to ask Deltyree and not multihdrdr. I must have pasted the wrong name as it must have been not been saved but multihdrdr cashed. I am sorry to make that mistake. Since I do not have a a 2009~current OEM FLT wheel to measure the depth of the bearing pocket. I am asking Deltyree if, as a substitute way of measuring, when your ABS unit fit inside of the wheel {before you installed the 43903-08 ($21.73 List) FRONT Bearing Spacer/Shim}? I am helping out another customer who is doing something entirely different but needs the clearance for rotor hub spacer & ABS. It is going into a 25mm bearing post 2008 wheel.

multihdrdr, please accept my apologies for mixing up both names.
 
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