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On the contrary, your post proves that I am right and you are wrong.
Let me use an anaolgy to illustrate.
Let's suppose lh4x4 and I participate in a wildlife forum instead of the HD forum.
One day I post on this forum about the existence of Unicorns in the Amazon Jungle (you know, the creature of myth and fable).
lh4x4 posts "BS there's no such thing. They don't exist".
I say "aahh but they do! It's a fact. I heard it from a guy at an ostrich racing convention."
lh4x4 says "prove it"
I say "I don't have to prove it. You have to prove me wrong"
lh4x4 thinks to himself "That's ridiculous. I'd have to go to the jungle and search the entire thing and then when I came up empty he'd just say I didn't look hard enough or that the Unicorns just kept moving ahead of me out of sight or some other excuse. He's cleverly set up the rules of this challenge so that it's impossible to prove him wrong."
Well, the morals of this story are that government regulations don't hide in the Amazon Jungle. They are public knowledge available for anyone to find in various formats. They are easily found (if they actually exist) because the government wants you to follow the regulations. The other moral is to never let an unethical person dictate the rules of a debate or contest.
lh4x4 formulated his challenge in this manner because he knows he's wrong and his fragile ego would self destruct should he have to admit defeat on a public forum.
And by the way, I used the word "majority" to describe the roads lh4x4 rides on, not "only".
Here's that link again just for lh4x4: dictionary.com
No, he'd tell you he already has a Unicorn in his garage (CVO Screamin' Pony of course), it runs on the crappiest hay available, and gets 3,500 prances to the bale.
I have 2 speeds. Fast and faster. I am the complete opposite of a conservative driver/rider. Just ask my wife and sons. Yes, most of my riding is on flat land and solo. I have ridden that way for over 50 years and hundreds of thousands of miles and guess what? = not one fuel related engine problem = amazing. I ride the BRP and the Dragon every year coming back from Rolling Thunder.....and I ride right behind rice rockets all the way.
I've constantly said in the past, those of you that modify your bikes or ride 2 up or ride in the mountains will "NEED" premium.
That is impossible, The very best tri-glide rider will not keep up with an average sport bike rider on the dragon. I live 70 miles from the dragon. If a sport bike is running it hard, the sport bike will be leaving any harley. You honestly can not believe your own statement.
Originally Posted by GARY DYER
Once more. If the manual says "Recommends" use 87 or 91. If it says "Requires" then you have to use premium
So, why don't you use premium? That is what the 2017 HD manuals says, Requirement. Check the meaning requirement and required are the same.....
Well I guess lh4x4 has given up. It's obvious because in the last 24 hrs he's posted over a dozen times in other threads and pretended to ignore this one. That's what he does when can he no longer defend his position. But we know he's reading this thread. He can't help but watch his own personal train wreck.
Last edited by greggreen; Feb 9, 2017 at 12:47 PM.
We need someone to do the math....
If we get a pint of 87 from the hose every fill up and we fill up every 100 miles, how much 87 would be in the tank after 1000 miles?
Bob
None, because it was all used up. Besides, who cares?
That small amount is not going to make one iota of a difference in the operation of the engine.
Hmmmm..........I've never ridden a triglide so I have no idea how they handle. I actually assumed, probably like most people on this forum that have never ridden one that they handled poorly. I did find a particular article that compares the handling of a trike to a similar two-wheeled motorcycle. It said:
A trike involves "direct steering." Point into the direction of travel, lock your outside elbow into the turn, and then roll on the throttle through the turn - this differs from a two-wheeler where you counter steer and lean through a corner. Using the Point, Lock, and Roll system, we went into, and out of, every type of corner quicker than when riding any comparable two-wheeler. And what's more, we did so with increased confidence from not having to brake or steer around light road debris, such as sand and gravel.
Now whether a triglide can keep up with a sport bike on the dragon is another story. The ability of the riders on sport bikes vary greatly. I've ridden the dragon on both motorcycles and in sports cars. A sports car can brake harder and carry much more speed through the turns and I've seen some incredible sport bike riders "keep up" with fast cars. So I still find it a bit difficult to believe a triglide can keep up with a well ridden sport bike on the dragon.
I was talking in generalities. Let's leave professional drivers/riders out of the discussion. I'm talking about the average bike rider. I have ridden the Dragon on 2 wheels and 3 and "know" I can take the twisties faster on a 3 wheeler. Check out those 3 wheel races with bikes with side platforms(trike) and the passenger hanging out over the side. They can almost make a 90* turn. A 2 wheeler would "Never" be able to go faster around that turn with out needing a lane 3 or 4 times wider.
Naturally if you take a professional racer against a new trike rider, the racer will win hands down. As it would be in any kind of sport. All I have done is give my personal experiences - year after year. There is no way a 2 wheeler can make a sharp turn as fast as a trike and still stay in it's own lane. Why do all the safety experts tell you to slow down before a turn, so you don't drift over into the on coming lanes. That happened to me more times then I want to remember. Not so on the trike.
I have said over and over that I can't keep up with most 2 wheelers on a straightaway. It's the corners that a trike shines.
I wish all the uninformed naysayers could ride with me some time on the Dragon so I can "prove" it to you. I do take that way every year coming back from Rolling Thunder. Hint
Bottom line is most (95% in my opinion) 2 wheel riders can not ride a trike with out some problem unless they have at least a week or more of experience (preferably a couple months). That has been proven by Harley Davidson otherwise they wouldn't make you watch a video before you can even take a demo ride on one.
87 has higher energy than 91. Depends on the testing and the tune. What year are your Vettes? Premium fuel has better additive packages than regular. You're doing your high performance engines a disservice.
A tuned vehicle would react if it was significant enough to affect the power.
My Vette's were a 1973 convertible and an 1981 Coupe. Not hi performance race cars like today.
No one is questioning that premium has a better "additive" package. That's why it's more expensive.
If I was doing it a disservice why did it run so well for me for 20 years????? As I said earlier, I did use premium on race days.
That is impossible, The very best tri-glide rider will not keep up with an average sport bike rider on the dragon. I live 70 miles from the dragon. If a sport bike is running it hard, the sport bike will be leaving any harley. You honestly can not believe your own statement.
So, why don't you use premium? That is what the 2017 HD manuals says, Requirement. Check the meaning requirement and required are the same.....
I posted that earlier guess you did not read it.
Question 1. I sure do believe my statement because I did it year after year after year. You my friend have never raced a trike so "You" have no idea what you're saying. Let me get this straight, you living 70 miles away from the Dragon makes you an "Expert" on trike handling? bruhahahahahahahahahah. Hey. I have this bridge for sale. hahahahahaha
Question 2. I don't use premium because I don't have a 17 and "my manual doesn't say it's required. Damn your thick.
Well, DUH!! No kidding, requirement and require mean the same thing. Who the hell said they don't??
Read my previous post for an explanation on why a trike can go a little faster in the twisties then a 2 wheeler. Hopefully you will be able to understand.
FYI, Nobody is disputing a 2 wheeler is faster then a trike in the straightaway.
Last edited by GARY DYER; Feb 9, 2017 at 08:54 AM.
Bottom line is most (95% in my opinion) 2 wheel riders can not ride a trike with out some problem unless they have at least a week or more of experience (preferably a couple months). That has been proven by Harley Davidson otherwise they wouldn't make you watch a video before you can even take a demo ride on one.
I believe that statement. I was asking a trike owner about his experiences one day and he said he was still getting used to it. Had just got it back from the shop because he had been pulling in for gas and forgot about those rear wheels sticking out and ran right into the guard post at the pump. Another time a buddy of mine was in downtown Milwaukee for one of the anniversary events and had backed his custom Road King in to the curb. A guy in a trike pulled up to back his in and as he swung it around he misjudged his width and clipped my buddy's front fender knocking his bike to the ground. Fortunately for the trike rider my buddy's bike was the last in line and not the first.
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A 2 wheeler would "Never" be able to go faster around that turn with out needing a lane 3 or 4 times wider.
