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An fz07 is a sport(not super sport) making 68hp weighing under 400lbs. Not only that a fz07 is 7100$, this harley is 8600$. How the hell can this compete?
It is indeed a sport bike, but most just call it a naked now days.
The number of HP for the Harley is closer to 75 from what I've been reading. I would pay 1,500 extra for the better looking Harley (my opinion) over the FZ-07. This is coming from someone who has seriously looked into buying a FZ-07 last year. The FZ-07 may be the funnest bike produced for road use right now.
Originally Posted by hd4evr2008
I wish Harley would come out with a street version of this:
no doubt!
Last edited by ChickinOnaChain; Mar 10, 2017 at 12:23 PM.
I agree 100% Nevada, being in my 20s I look at it like most youngsters. Value for dollar. But who knows, I was just talking to someone with a ultra on how kids my age prefer touring with little machines not really meant for it. Looked at me like I had two heads. **** look at the grom, that's doing remarkably well for what it is.
Hell....I didn't even consider a Harley until I was in my late 40s. It wasn't an easy transition for me at all. It was the antithesis to everything I thought a bike should be. But it did fit the two up criteria I was trying to fill. And once I spent more time on them (rental bikes) I grew an appreciation for their strengths. But in the end, it's a very expensive machine.
In your case, I think it's cool that you ride what you ride. You can make those bikes move out very well, and a skilled rider on a bike like you have can hang with guys on more sporting machines. And at the end of the ride, you are sitting on something with character vs an appliance. Not that's there's anything wrong with an appliance. I like UJMs for the bang for the buck they deliver.
Originally Posted by hd4evr2008
I wish Harley would come out with a street version of this:
Considering the bikes that are hitting the market right now (Ducati Desert Sled, BMW Urban GS, etc), the Moco would clean up with a street version of that bike.
You need to remember that it's as much, if not more, about the brand than the performance. Harley has done a great job, obviously, of figuring out what sells. Harleys, in general, are slower, heavier, and less complex than many alternatives out there. And yet, they sell more motorcycles than anyone. The reason one has to conclude is that brand, image, and maybe comfort are what sells - not performance.
And even at that, how do you measure performance? For many it's weight vs power. Makes sense. But for me, the Harley offers excellent performance in a touring package where performance means comfort for two and the ability to transport us and all our **** far far away. In that performance category, I feel Harley is unmatched. But do I see room for improvement? Hell yes.
Had a conversation with a friend who owns 4 Harleys just yesterday. We were talking the M8 and where Harley is going. We couldn't have been more far apart on what we thought the evolution of Harley should be. Basically everything I said I wanted to see was "stupid" in his book. Lighter, faster, more comfortable. He closed his argument by saying I was nothing like 99.9% of the Harley owners out there. I like to push my bike like a sport bike (on occasion) and he maintains that's not at all what a Harley owner wants. And in truth, I can't argue his point.
So while I, maybe you, and a relatively few other riders would like to see Harley Davidson move in a more performance oriented direction, the average Harley buyer doesn't. At all.
Agreed. When I talk to most die hards, they think along the same line of thought. Me, I want to get somewhere, go fast, and have fun doing it.
I'm smart enough to know that if I went up to Road Atlanta which is about 5 miles for the house with a stock Street Rod and my heavily modified Dyna, my lap times on the Street Rod would smoke my times on my Dyna. that matters to me, to others, the Dyna (not mine per say) looks like a Harley is supposed to look though.
It's a changing of the times peeps. I welcome it. When I was looking at my Dyna (my first HD), I knew I was giving up a lot of performance in a HD. Maybe in the not so distant future, a person may not have to.
Yeah, I'm lovin that Dyna^^^. What shocks are those?
Thanks man. I love working on her. The shocks are 13.5 inch Hagons. The bikes changed since my sig pic though. I've started painting it and swapped some parts around. I hope to finish the pinstriping this weekend.
I sure hope H-D doesn't change one bit. 'cause if they do their marketing strategy will change with it and I'll have to kiss my free food/beer fests at the dealer bye-bye. :-)
Thanks man. I love working on her. The shocks are 13.5 inch Hagons. The bikes changed since my sig pic though. I've started painting it and swapped some parts around. I hope to finish the pinstriping this weekend.
That's a sweet ride. I hope to have one like it someday. Saw this one at a bike night. Yes please.
Originally Posted by xyzzyxyzzy
I sure hope H-D doesn't change one bit. 'cause if they do their marketing strategy will change with it and I'll have to kiss my free food/beer fests at the dealer bye-bye. :-)
Nah. It will be fine. As long as you're ok with Lattes, PBR, and sushi.
So while I, maybe you, and a relatively few other riders would like to see Harley Davidson move in a more performance oriented direction, the average Harley buyer doesn't. At all.
There may be a few more of us than people think. I waited several years before buying a Harley hoping that they would finally make something more modern. I don't like cruisers or touring bikes and I ended up buying an Ultra Limited. My wife wanted comfort on rides and I wanted to buy American. I even told my salesman that I hated the fact that there would be a statistic somewhere telling Harley that they built the right bike for a 50 year old rider. I would love tell them that I just settled for it. Three years and 17,000 miles later, when someone asks me how I like my bike, I say "it's OK".
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