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My apologies to Steve Cole the OP. I was not aware that his engine was built. I like the new bike so much I guess I'm a little sensitive to bad news.
Did I mention I like this bike a lot?
I have not noticed any slipping on my stock 107, engagement is way different than my 103 that I still ride. With the 107 I have been giving the engine a bit more RPM's when getting of the line because I stalled it a twice when first got it. Never once stalled my 103, friction zone is a mile long compared to the 107.
Very interesting good info .. I have a Stage III 117ci so I would then assume I have 10 Disk, 1200N spring (lever pull 16lbs) and I could go to 1275N .. good work Steve!
All the Stage III kits I have seen come with a set of the 1200N springs in the kit. So if the dealer installed them that is what you should have. If you pull the derby cover off you might be able to see the stripe on the springs. The 1275N springs will increase the lever pull some but how much I do not know. If you do them let us know the color of the stripe on them.
All the Stage III kits I have seen come with a set of the 1200N springs in the kit. So if the dealer installed them that is what you should have. If you pull the derby cover off you might be able to see the stripe on the springs. The 1275N springs will increase the lever pull some but how much I do not know. If you do them let us know the color of the stripe on them.
Well I just found out some additional information on these clutches according to my dealer. He's a good guy and is always straight up with me for over a decade. He said he definitely spoke with the HD Tech Support (dealer only) and the hi-capacity clutch plate kit 37000258, is definitely a higher performance 10-disc clutch kit than the 10-disc clutch that comes stock in the 2017 CVO Limited from the factory.
He said he would call the tech line again to confirm but he also said it must be different because according to his parts catalog, the exact replacement part # for a 2017 CVO Limited 10 disc clutch kit is part # 37000270 which he says is the lower friction 10 disc clutch pack that is installed in the CVO's at the factory.
He installed the hi-capacity 10 disc clutch kit and I have the original factory clutch pack (#37000270) at home in the new clutch kit box.
Well I just found out some additional information on these clutches according to my dealer. He's a good guy and is always straight up with me for over a decade. He said he definitely spoke with the HD Tech Support (dealer only) and the hi-capacity clutch plate kit 37000258, is definitely a higher performance 10-disc clutch kit than the 10-disc clutch that comes stock in the 2017 CVO Limited from the factory.
He said he would call the tech line again to confirm but he also said it must be different because according to his parts catalog, the exact replacement part # for a 2017 CVO Limited 10 disc clutch kit is part # 37000270 which he says is the lower friction 10 disc clutch pack that is installed in the CVO's at the factory.
He installed the hi-capacity 10 disc clutch kit and I have the original factory clutch pack (#37000270) at home in the new clutch kit box.
I don't know where your dealer got that number, but when I put it in on Boardtracker I got:
SPRING,CLUTCH PLATE
Genuine Harley-DavidsonŽ Product
Harley-DavidsonŽ 37000270
SKU 37000270
Weight 0.05 lb
Online Price $12.00
When I put in 37000258 I got:
Screamin' Eagle High Capacity Clutch Plate Kit - Milwaukee-Eight Engine-37000258
Genuine Harley-DavidsonŽ Product
Replacement clutch plates for the Screamin EagleŽ High Capacity Clutch Kit P/N 37000287.
Kit includes 10 fiber friction plates and 10 contact plates
Fitment
Fits '17-later Touring models.
Sold in Unit - Each
In The Box - 10 fiber friction plates and 10 contact plates
SKU 37000258
Weight 2.41 lb
You may be right about there being a difference in the plates, but I would surmise with the weight and price of the 37000270 it is not a clutch pack.
Since my Trans was 6 oz. low with only 340 miles on it, I checked my Primary today,,, right on the money...
Snapped a pic of the White Striped Springs...
BTW: Good info in this Thread.
Well I just found out some additional information on these clutches according to my dealer. He's a good guy and is always straight up with me for over a decade. He said he definitely spoke with the HD Tech Support (dealer only) and the hi-capacity clutch plate kit 37000258, is definitely a higher performance 10-disc clutch kit than the 10-disc clutch that comes stock in the 2017 CVO Limited from the factory.
He said he would call the tech line again to confirm but he also said it must be different because according to his parts catalog, the exact replacement part # for a 2017 CVO Limited 10 disc clutch kit is part # 37000270 which he says is the lower friction 10 disc clutch pack that is installed in the CVO's at the factory.
He installed the hi-capacity 10 disc clutch kit and I have the original factory clutch pack (#37000270) at home in the new clutch kit box.
See about getting another part number as that one is not a clutch kit
Sorry for the confusion. My dealer just called me and now believes the HD tech line gave him "bad info" at the time by recommending that my CVO bike "should be upgraded to the Hi-capacity clutch part # 370000258 since I was upgrading to Stage IV".
My dealer looked up (again) the original factory clutch part # for a 2017 CVO Limited and it IS #37000258 - same part # in the SE catalog for the Hi-capacity clutch kit.
The dealer is reaching out to HD tech line again because he feels he was given bad guidance. Since I had already had the stage 3 upgrade, my bike already had the 1200N springs installed. Therefore the dealer (and I) now realize he swapped the Hi-capacity clutch kit in my bike with the identical parts. Which also explains why I didn't feel any difference in the clutch lever pull!! He said he's going to work with me to make it "right" after he talks to HD. We'll see.
Steve is absolutely correct. In summary:
- all 2017 CVOs come stock with the hi-capacity 10-disc clutch and the "WHITE" 1100N springs from the factory
- There are only 2 available HD clutch upgrades for a 2017 CVO
1) Upgrade to the "RED" 1200N springs # 37000288 OR
2) Upgrade to the (COLOR ??) 1275N springs #37000286
- Worth noting that the stage 3 performance upgrade kits (CVO 92500057) already include the "RED" 1200N springs
- The Hi-capacity 10 disc clutch kit also includes upgraded 1200N "RED" springs and is designed for 107s that need a clutch UPGRADE or 114s that need a clutch REPLACEMENT.
What's somewhat bizarre is that the new Stage IV upgrade kits (both 107 & 114) state that they include the "SE Hi-Capacity clutch springs and plates". Seems like you'd be paying extra for the same clutch plates a second time if you're installing a Stage IV upgrade kit on a 2017 CVO!
Chime in if I got something wrong.
BTW, I'm getting a new catless headpipe installed and dyno tune later this week with my PV so I should have some dyno data to see how this clutch with 1200N springs is holding up on a 117 Stage IV build.
Last edited by Heatwave; Mar 28, 2017 at 05:15 PM.
Well I was hoping for some other explanation but I guess not. I just thought that HD would have come clean to begin with, instead of us (customers)having to fit all the pieces together.
I called the 1200N springs Orange/Red as that's what the color looks like to me. I have now been told that HD calls it Red and the 1275N spring are Orange Stripe.
On another note the original Stage III and IV kits were built different from the current product too. The early kits like I have, did not come with replacement head stud nuts and now they do. Why?? Do not know if I should order the nuts and replace them or just leave the bikes together and hope for the best.
Still want to part with your slightly used 10 disc?
Well I was hoping for some other explanation but I guess not. I just thought that HD would have come clean to begin with, instead of us (customers)having to fit all the pieces together.
I called the 1200N springs Orange/Red as that's what the color looks like to me. I have now been told that HD calls it Red and the 1275N spring are Orange Stripe.
On another note the original Stage III and IV kits were built different from the current product too. The early kits like I have, did not come with replacement head stud nuts and now they do. Why?? Do not know if I should order the nuts and replace them or just leave the bikes together and hope for the best.
Still want to part with your slightly used 10 disc?
Yeah it does seem like abit of a cluster in the way they launched and educated their dealers on the Jan SE Catalog rollout. If my dealer won't make me whole on this hi-capacity clutck kit with 1200N springs I'll drop you a PM note. I'll let you know either way. Here's a pic.
Last edited by Heatwave; Mar 28, 2017 at 05:12 PM.
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