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Old Jul 7, 2017 | 06:13 PM
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North beat that ***
 
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Old Jul 7, 2017 | 07:17 PM
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I had never heard of these before. Too bad the MoCo felt the need to buy them back and scrap all they could. So much for history in this country.

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Old Jul 7, 2017 | 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Cholo
North beat that ***
They just won. The north had a much higher casualty count than the outnumbered, out gunned smaller rebel force with inferior weapons, no logistics and no shoes. Even general grant said the southerners were much better fighters
 
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Old Jul 7, 2017 | 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by rhino1250
They just won. The north had a much higher casualty count than the outnumbered, out gunned smaller rebel force with inferior weapons, no logistics and no shoes. Even general grant said the southerners were much better fighters


Shhhhhhhhh........Don't say that, it goes against the narrative.
 
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Old Jul 7, 2017 | 08:05 PM
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Shhhhhhhhh........Don't say that, it goes against the narrative.
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Old Jul 7, 2017 | 08:20 PM
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We won, we lost..lol..what unit were YOU in during the Civil War?

History folks, can't change it, get over it.
 
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Old Jul 8, 2017 | 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by SpyGoat
We won, we lost..lol..what unit were YOU in during the Civil War?

History folks, can't change it, get over it.
LMAO! No kidding huh? People here talking like they, or an older brother, or their pappy, were the ones fighting. I bet <10% of the replies here actual had family from generations back fighting in the Civil War.
 
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Old Jul 8, 2017 | 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by YeOldeStonecat
LMAO! No kidding huh? People here talking like they, or an older brother, or their pappy, were the ones fighting. I bet <10% of the replies here actual had family from generations back fighting in the Civil War.
I would guess the percentage to be higher than that. It was a far reaching war. Personally I had 2 gg-grandfathers and 1 ggg-grandfather and of course they had siblings in the war which would all be gg or ggg uncles to me.

I think its difficult for people today to relate to the mindset of people from that era. As I mentioned earlier none of my ancestors held slaves and were simple farmers. But when called into service they didn't run and hide, they fought.

My gg-grandfather was Asa V. Ladd. You can read about him and his story. There is a bronze plaque at the Springfield MO courthouse that tells his story. He was captured at Sedalia, MO and taken to Gratiot Street prison in St. Louis. It was September 1864 and the war was coming to a close.

The "North" didn't want the expense of housing prisoners so they were given an opportunity to sign an oath of allegiance to the United States. It meant they could go home to their farm and families. Most refused to sign it as did my ancestor. A month later General Rosecrans issued a retaliatory order (eye for an eye kind of thing) to execute six privates and one major to get even for and execution that a Confederate officer had done in the field. A lottery was held and my ancestor was executed for something he had nothing to do with.

I've often thought about the mindset of a man who was so firmly held in his beliefs that he would not sign an oath even if it meant he could go home to his wife and six children. He left her a widow with six orphans.

There were many men like him who paid the ultimate sacrifice. We can't allow statues, flags, and other commemorative items to be redefined to mean something other than it originally meant just to fulfilled some political objective of today's social narrative. It is lunacy playing to mob mentality for social reform. There is no good that will come from it.

When these social justice warriors of today are done wiping out the Civil War and deeming all people of Southern heritage a racist, what will they go after next? The War of Independence? WWI or WWII? Bring back prohibition?

Our short history as a nation is what has made America the greatest country on earth. That history is being threatened, as is our standing as a nation. Each of us need to stand firm and speak up rather than remaining silent as the craziness ensues.

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Old Jul 8, 2017 | 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by YeOldeStonecat
LMAO! No kidding huh? People here talking like they, or an older brother, or their pappy, were the ones fighting. I bet <10% of the replies here actual had family from generations back fighting in the Civil War.
Count me as one with relatives who fought in the Civil War.

My paternal g-g-grandfather was killed in front of his wife in his front yard in Gravelly AR by a yankee bushwhacker. His gravestone was broken in half by yankee Reconstructionists. Ten years ago I traveled to rural Fourche La Fave River Valley AR, found my g-g-grandfather's grave and set his gravestone upright again. Take care of his wife's grave in Chisholm Texas too. Her epitaph "Farewell Dear Mother, Sweet Thy Rest"
ETA: My burial plot is waiting right beside the grave his wife, my g-g-grandmother is buried.

Another relative rode with Sixth Texas Cavalry in Van Dorn's Raid on Union general Ulysses S. Grant's supply depot at Holly Springs, Mississippi in December 1862. Resulted in devastating Grant's army's ability to fight and caused him to retreat from the Vicksburg Campaign. Grant was so humiliated by his army's defeat at the hands of a much smaller, more mobile cavalry detachment that he refused to acknowledge his defeat in his memoirs. Colonel John S. Griffith's men almost captured Grant himself. His train's smoke still hung in the air as he fled Holly Springs leaving behind his wife and BLACK SLAVES. Colonel Griffith's men did capture Grant's wife and BLACK SLAVES and did what Southern gentlemen do and safely released them.

https://www.mycivilwar.com/campaigns/621220R.html

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-h...gs-mississippi

I can expand on this if anyone is interested.

Holly Springs MS town square 1862


Monument to Confederate dead at Holly Springs MS


 

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Old Jul 8, 2017 | 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Geoff
A guy in my neighborhood has a '77 Confederate Edition with only 2k miles. Dude doesn't even ride. He's a car collector. He swapped a car for the bike several years ago. His plan is to take it to auction and cash in when he retires.

I remember when the Confederate Edition was introduced. Like the XLCR Sportster, nobody was interested in 'em at the time. Folks were no more offended by the Confederate flag on the bike than they were with the flag on the General Lee on The Dukes of Hazard TV show. Times change, people change.
Yeah, but Daisy Duke wasn't riding the Harley ..............
 
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