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Old Oct 11, 2017 | 09:28 AM
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You call it advanced but I call it basic survival techniques.
I hear you. The MSF calls those "advanced" so I went with it as the OP is a newby.
 
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Old Oct 11, 2017 | 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by QNman
How very helpful of you two.
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Thanks, Buddy. Don't be shy to hit the THANKS prompt.

 
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Old Oct 11, 2017 | 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by krielly66
To clarify, I initially was referring to "curves", rather than slow speed right turns. For some reason I am much more comfortable in the curves to the left, rather than to the right. I never felt the need to clarify, as I feel all of the advice I've received on both topics is very helpful, and I can see how getting more comfortable in turns from a stop/slower speed will also get me more in tune with the lean angle. I also go wide sometimes on my right hand turns from a stop, and am anxious to try some of the suggestions I've received. I attribute that more to getting in better tune with the friction zone and the coordination of applying the countersteering and throttle control at the same time.
Right turns are tricky because we drive on the right side of the road and there is all that debris and rocks sitting there making it tricky to do a proper right turn. Same goes for folks that drive on the left side of the road too. You are not the only one that has that issue. When you make those left turns you dont see that much debris like rocks and sand. Otherwise keep practicing. And your right hand is controlling the throttle making countersteering very awkward as you would when making a left turn. It feels more natural twisting the throttle while making a left.
 

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Old Oct 11, 2017 | 12:04 PM
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If you are talking cornering while out on the road at road speeds, don't be shy about pulling down (left grip) the bike with countersteer. Or push (right hand grip) if that's what works better for you. Eyes through the turn where you want to end up, not in the turn or where you are worried about. By the time you get out of the turn to where you wanted to be you should already be looking on down the road where you mean to go.

If you aren't riding often, and even sometimes when you are, it's easy to let your eyes and mind focus on the stuff to close such as the inside of the turn, or worse the outside of the turn. Also, take long rides with plenty of turns and pay attention to looking through the turn. You will probably notice that where you were riding a little more tight and tense at first, later in the ride you will find yourself riding more relaxed and slipping through those turns better and without thinking about it.

I commute on the bike most of the time, but it's mostly straight line with just some turns. The more days I ride in a row though the more I tend to just sling the bike around the turns onto roads once in town and think less about it than if I haven't ridden for a few days or a week due to whatever reason.

Additionally, take a hint from sport riders. Just not as pronounced. If you feel you need to dig deeper into the turn, slip your body over a little. Or just let your inside knee swing out wide. You don't need to climb off the bike and hang over the side, just a little shift of your weight or just swinging the leg out is enough to get a little deeper into the turn.

Now if you are talking low speed maneuvers then we are talking counterbalance. Using friction point, trail braking, and getting the throttle just right on a loping, asynchronous V-Twin like a large HD engine is a little more of a dance than with even a metric single pin V-Twin of similar engine size. Some days I can swing things around fairly tight. Other days I left the confidence slip and suck at it on the FLHS. I can usually throw the VT1100C Shadow around like a 250.
 
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Old Oct 11, 2017 | 12:17 PM
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Old Oct 11, 2017 | 12:32 PM
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Rear wheel is offset to the right.
 
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Old Oct 11, 2017 | 01:07 PM
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I have found the painted divided lines on roads to be a big help that will aid you through the turn. Concentrating more on the painted line in the middle of the road prevents you from fixating on the side of the road where you don't want to be.
 
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Old Oct 11, 2017 | 01:35 PM
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interesting. overcome fixation through fixation... try not looking at the road.
 
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Old Oct 11, 2017 | 02:04 PM
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man, I remember my first couple of times out... I was fine turning either way solo, but 2up,. YIKES.

I was taking a right turn from a stoplight, and I went so wide that I went into oncoming traffic. I was so afraid of dropping the bike and my wife, that I was fighting the bike and the lean.

Goodtimes goodtimes

She still brings it up from time to time.
 
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Old Oct 13, 2017 | 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by TroutBum
I have found the painted divided lines on roads to be a big help that will aid you through the turn. Concentrating more on the painted line in the middle of the road prevents you from fixating on the side of the road where you don't want to be.
Originally Posted by Mr-Mike
interesting. overcome fixation through fixation... try not looking at the road.
look where you want to go period. when you concentrate fixation will not take over. as you get comfortable you will go where you focus, be careful!
 
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