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Old Feb 21, 2012 | 11:08 PM
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Alright, this may be a stupid question and one that will eventually get solved through time and money... but i am looking for opinions as of what to do.

When i bought my 05 softail standard it had jesse james hell bent pipes on it and a new air cleaner. After further inspection (after i bought it) and burn marks on my pants- i learned that there was no tuner or fuel change of any kind.
My trusted indy mechanic and friend is shocked at how well it does run. But it runs HOT! Mid summer traffic feels like I'm straddling a BBQ.
In every other situation its fine.

My question is: Is the tuner and pipes a package deal? or could i buy a tuner and tune the bike with the pipes i have now, with the idea of changing pipes in the future?
 
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Old Feb 21, 2012 | 11:24 PM
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My question is: Is the tuner and pipes a package deal? or could i buy a tuner and tune the bike with the pipes i have now, with the idea of changing pipes in the future?
There are many options for tuners and pipes. While there are vendors that sell both, they aren't really a package deal. There are tuners ($) that have pre-loaded maps that are an approximation of the best air/fuel ratio for your configuration. Not a good option if you plan to make engine changes. There are tuners ($$) that can actually be "tuned". The best way is with an experienced technician on a dyno. If you make engine changes, it's probably back to the dyno to get the most out of your new configuration. There are also tuners ($$$) that can sample several factors into the formula and tune the mixture in realtime, as you ride. The claim is that even if you make engine changes (short of turbo or super-charging), the auto-tune capability will compensate and adjust the A/F ratio for the optimum performance.

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Old Feb 21, 2012 | 11:24 PM
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You can just buy a tuner and either dyno it or find a tuner that someone is familiar with to tune the bike properly.SESPT with TTS Or a Power Vision. And a few more but cant think of them
 
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Old Feb 21, 2012 | 11:44 PM
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thanks guys!
So, you buy the tuner for the capability of tuning the bike and not for the specific set of pipes. That makes sense. If i bought a race tuner now and 6 months from now decided to switch the pipes, id have to re tune it- but i wouldn't have to buy a new tuner.
 
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Old Feb 22, 2012 | 03:29 AM
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Yes mickey thats correct 300$ everytime my bikes been a dyno queen for the last 4 years im alwayes changing something
 
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Old Feb 22, 2012 | 04:56 AM
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Yes mickey thats correct 300$ everytime my bikes been a dyno queen for the last 4 years im alwayes changing something
 
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Old Feb 22, 2012 | 04:57 AM
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Sorry for double post
 
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Old Feb 22, 2012 | 05:02 AM
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you dont need to dyno all the time. it depends on the tuner program you bought.

for example.
i bought a vh fuel pak when i put on my big sucker a/c and vh short shots. i simply plugged in the fuel pak, adjusted the codes myself (canned code map, per instructions) and rode off. it worked very good. no dyno needed. it ran smooth and no pops. fuel pak is a "bridge" style tuner....it plugs inbetween the ecm and engine. it much less expensive too. good value.

recently, i came across a tt mastertune. those are used by many "tuners" (people). i had the tts installed on my ecm(it uploads codes...it isnt. bridge) and the tuner (person) then dyno'ed my bike so he could adjust the codes manually to really dial in the performance.

so a bike doesnt always have to be dynoed to be tuned. it really depends on the tuner used

fuelpak cost:$300

tts master tune and dyno:$750

the fuelpak works good.....but the tts/dyno tune makes it awesome. but, like much in life, the more you are willing to pay the better the quality.

fyi, i have my fuelpak for sale in the parts forum. there is a pic of it there so you can see what a bridge tuner looks like.
 
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