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Something similar happened to me only I was behind #2 in same lane. He was a van turning off to the right in the turn lane. Being a van, he totally blocked my view off both for me and #1 who was ready to pull out. #1 saw me at the last minute and hit the brakes instead of me thank god. Lesson learned. Watch those vans and trucks that obstruct peoples view.
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thanks trooper!!!!! Had not done an accident diagram in 15 years. I am now employed with customs and border protection.
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i understand your point very well. I also do not like to read about mc accidents. I just did not know how to title it but wanted as many fellow riders out there to be aware if this situation.
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Thanks for posting. Great write-up and reminder. I had a similar near miss back in the Summer. Except I was in the right lane in the position of unit #2. I established EYE CONTACT with the driver of unit #1 and the stupid bitch pulled out in front of me anyway. Thankfully it was a city street and I was only going about 30 or it would have been my last day for sure.
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Thanks for posting. Great write-up and reminder. I had a similar near miss back in the Summer. Except I was in the right lane in the position of unit #2. I established EYE CONTACT with the driver of unit #1 and the stupid bitch pulled out in front of me anyway. Thankfully it was a city street and I was only going about 30 or it would have been my last day for sure.
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flip, good write up. I like to ride in the left lane, a little faster than traffic flow. That way i am not in blind spots for long. I watch all the traffic, and use all the road and prefer acceleration over panic braking.
In your diagram, with no opposing traffic, my primary exit strategy would be accelerating into the opposing traffic turning lane. This way i can escape regardless of turning cars reaction.
Of course this strategy doesn't work if distracted and unsure of placement of all players. Scary sometimes. Thanks for the reminder.
In your diagram, with no opposing traffic, my primary exit strategy would be accelerating into the opposing traffic turning lane. This way i can escape regardless of turning cars reaction.
Of course this strategy doesn't work if distracted and unsure of placement of all players. Scary sometimes. Thanks for the reminder.
About 3 yeas ago a friend got kill in a mc accident where the driver of a jeep pulled out of his driveway. He slammed right into it. There was a plowed field to his right. He never took that route. My first comment when i went to the accident scene was why did he not drive into the open field and maybe break a leg or arm but not die. Well there is the "if".
Head-on accidents occur when one driver veers onto oncoming traffic. The other driver then steers left to avoid the oncoming vehicle. The driver that veered onto the lane now realizes what is happening and corrects his mistake but its too late. The second vehicle is already in his lane. Now "if" the first driver would have not corrected then possibly everyone is happy, and collision avoided. You can not compensate for all situation. Only for one and lets hope its the correct one.
How to minimize the times you have to make one of this decisions. Well, like everyone is saying..... Keep alert and driver defensively all the time, do not relax.
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i ran all scenarios possible as to "what if". What happened here was luck for me. If i would have done what you are saying (go left onto the turing lane) then i would not be here writing this. The driver never saw me and kept on going onto the turning lane which is were i would have met him if i had gone into the turning lane. I went right he kept on going and here i am. "if" he would have stopped in the middle of the roadway because he saw me?????????? "if" i would have been traveling 75mph i would have cleared that situation ahead of time. "if" i would have been traveling 55mph then i would have been behind the situation and it would have never happened.
About 3 yeas ago a friend got kill in a mc accident where the driver of a jeep pulled out of his driveway. He slammed right into it. There was a plowed field to his right. He never took that route. My first comment when i went to the accident scene was why did he not drive into the open field and maybe break a leg or arm but not die. Well there is the "if".
Head-on accidents occur when one driver veers onto oncoming traffic. The other driver then steers left to avoid the oncoming vehicle. The driver that veered onto the lane now realizes what is happening and corrects his mistake but its too late. The second vehicle is already in his lane. Now "if" the first driver would have not corrected then possibly everyone is happy, and collision avoided. You can not compensate for all situation. Only for one and lets hope its the correct one.
How to minimize the times you have to make one of this decisions. Well, like everyone is saying..... Keep alert and driver defensively all the time, do not relax.
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About 3 yeas ago a friend got kill in a mc accident where the driver of a jeep pulled out of his driveway. He slammed right into it. There was a plowed field to his right. He never took that route. My first comment when i went to the accident scene was why did he not drive into the open field and maybe break a leg or arm but not die. Well there is the "if".
Head-on accidents occur when one driver veers onto oncoming traffic. The other driver then steers left to avoid the oncoming vehicle. The driver that veered onto the lane now realizes what is happening and corrects his mistake but its too late. The second vehicle is already in his lane. Now "if" the first driver would have not corrected then possibly everyone is happy, and collision avoided. You can not compensate for all situation. Only for one and lets hope its the correct one.
How to minimize the times you have to make one of this decisions. Well, like everyone is saying..... Keep alert and driver defensively all the time, do not relax.
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Braking has the advantage of decreasing impact force by the square of your velocity.(Kinetic Energy=1/2mv2.) So if I can't be sure avoidance and acceleration will avoid an impact, I will give the benefit of doubt to braking. But if past experence and visualization say I can avoid an impact I will use the laws of physics, and ignore the lane markings to avoid collision.
I know this is wordy but I hope everyone knows what I mean!
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Flip, I wasn't suggesting that going left was better than going right. I just wanted to say that it took me 7 years to realize that if I could avoid an impact by "thinking outside the lines", I would do that. Sometimes saving your life is more important than maintaining a "legal" position.
Braking has the advantage of decreasing impact force by the square of your velocity.(Kinetic Energy=1/2mv2.) So if I can't be sure avoidance and acceleration will avoid an impact, I will give the benefit of doubt to braking. But if past experence and visualization say I can avoid an impact I will use the laws of physics, and ignore the lane markings to avoid collision.
I know this is wordy but I hope everyone knows what I mean!
Braking has the advantage of decreasing impact force by the square of your velocity.(Kinetic Energy=1/2mv2.) So if I can't be sure avoidance and acceleration will avoid an impact, I will give the benefit of doubt to braking. But if past experence and visualization say I can avoid an impact I will use the laws of physics, and ignore the lane markings to avoid collision.
I know this is wordy but I hope everyone knows what I mean!
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Flip, I wasn't suggesting that going left was better than going right. I just wanted to say that it took me 7 years to realize that if I could avoid an impact by "thinking outside the lines", I would do that. Sometimes saving your life is more important than maintaining a "legal" position.
Braking has the advantage of decreasing impact force by the square of your velocity.(Kinetic Energy=1/2mv2.) So if I can't be sure avoidance and acceleration will avoid an impact, I will give the benefit of doubt to braking. But if past experence and visualization say I can avoid an impact I will use the laws of physics, and ignore the lane markings to avoid collision.
I know this is wordy but I hope everyone knows what I mean!
Braking has the advantage of decreasing impact force by the square of your velocity.(Kinetic Energy=1/2mv2.) So if I can't be sure avoidance and acceleration will avoid an impact, I will give the benefit of doubt to braking. But if past experence and visualization say I can avoid an impact I will use the laws of physics, and ignore the lane markings to avoid collision.
I know this is wordy but I hope everyone knows what I mean!
Cd = D / (.5 * r * V^2 * A)