Stage 1 Re-Programming
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From: New Hampshire
Stage 1 Re-Programming
Hey Everyone.
I was at my HD dealership yesterday talking about my bike, they were saying because I put a stage 1 air cleaner and slip on pipes on the bike that I should have the computer re-programmed to handle the increased airflow the bike is getting.
How true is this? Or are they just trying to squeeze money out of me.
I was at my HD dealership yesterday talking about my bike, they were saying because I put a stage 1 air cleaner and slip on pipes on the bike that I should have the computer re-programmed to handle the increased airflow the bike is getting.
How true is this? Or are they just trying to squeeze money out of me.
Road Warrior
Joined: Jul 2012
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From: Londonderry, NH
Hey Everyone.
I was at my HD dealership yesterday talking about my bike, they were saying because I put a stage 1 air cleaner and slip on pipes on the bike that I should have the computer re-programmed to handle the increased airflow the bike is getting.
How true is this? Or are they just trying to squeeze money out of me.
I was at my HD dealership yesterday talking about my bike, they were saying because I put a stage 1 air cleaner and slip on pipes on the bike that I should have the computer re-programmed to handle the increased airflow the bike is getting.
How true is this? Or are they just trying to squeeze money out of me.
Avoid the HD stage-1 download...doesn't do much. Look for a good aftermarket tuner.
Stellar HDF Member
Joined: Feb 2011
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From: Central Jersey
If you're increasing the air in to the engine, and increasing the exhaust leaving the engine, you need to increase the amount of fuel going in to the engine, that's what the fuel tuner does, else you'll be choking the motor for life giving petroleum..
Do a search for fuel tuners on this forum, pretty much every question you have could be answered.
Grand HDF Member
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 3,970
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From: Omaha
The bike will run with no problems without altering the ECM.
The ECM can compensate enough to handle the addition of an AC and pipes without any engine harm.
However to get the full benefit of the AC and pipes you need to either have the ECM "Stage 1" tuned or better yet add a fuel tuner.
The Dealer "Stage 1" ECM tune will make a difference, however you will not get a full "Stage 1" benefit due to the Dealer is limited on what they can do as to tuning because of EPA constraints.
IMO a fuel tuner is the better way to go and will complete your "Stage 1" upgrade.
It will give you better throttle response, increased mpg, cooler running and control decel pop.
The changes are not "night and day", but are very noticeable.
My recommendation is V&H Fuel Pak or Fuel Moto Micro Tuner, both around $300.
I've never tried the Micro Tuner, but reviews are good on both Fuel Moto and the Micro Tuner.
Keep an eye open on e-Bay or HDF's classifieds and chances are you will find a used Fuel Pak for less than half of the new price.
I got mine off e-Bay for $135 and have absolutely no regrets.
The ECM can compensate enough to handle the addition of an AC and pipes without any engine harm.
However to get the full benefit of the AC and pipes you need to either have the ECM "Stage 1" tuned or better yet add a fuel tuner.
The Dealer "Stage 1" ECM tune will make a difference, however you will not get a full "Stage 1" benefit due to the Dealer is limited on what they can do as to tuning because of EPA constraints.
IMO a fuel tuner is the better way to go and will complete your "Stage 1" upgrade.
It will give you better throttle response, increased mpg, cooler running and control decel pop.
The changes are not "night and day", but are very noticeable.
My recommendation is V&H Fuel Pak or Fuel Moto Micro Tuner, both around $300.
I've never tried the Micro Tuner, but reviews are good on both Fuel Moto and the Micro Tuner.
Keep an eye open on e-Bay or HDF's classifieds and chances are you will find a used Fuel Pak for less than half of the new price.
I got mine off e-Bay for $135 and have absolutely no regrets.
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Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,912
Likes: 73
From: Pittsburgh, PA
The bike will run with no problems without altering the ECM.
The ECM can compensate enough to handle the addition of an AC and pipes without any engine harm.
However to get the full benefit of the AC and pipes you need to either have the ECM "Stage 1" tuned or better yet add a fuel tuner.
The Dealer "Stage 1" ECM tune will make a difference, however you will not get a full "Stage 1" benefit due to the Dealer is limited on what they can do as to tuning because of EPA constraints.
IMO a fuel tuner is the better way to go and will complete your "Stage 1" upgrade.
It will give you better throttle response, increased mpg, cooler running and control decel pop.
The changes are not "night and day", but are very noticeable.
My recommendation is V&H Fuel Pak or Fuel Moto Micro Tuner, both around $300.
I've never tried the Micro Tuner, but reviews are good on both Fuel Moto and the Micro Tuner.
Keep an eye open on e-Bay or HDF's classifieds and chances are you will find a used Fuel Pak for less than half of the new price.
I got mine off e-Bay for $135 and have absolutely no regrets.
The ECM can compensate enough to handle the addition of an AC and pipes without any engine harm.
However to get the full benefit of the AC and pipes you need to either have the ECM "Stage 1" tuned or better yet add a fuel tuner.
The Dealer "Stage 1" ECM tune will make a difference, however you will not get a full "Stage 1" benefit due to the Dealer is limited on what they can do as to tuning because of EPA constraints.
IMO a fuel tuner is the better way to go and will complete your "Stage 1" upgrade.
It will give you better throttle response, increased mpg, cooler running and control decel pop.
The changes are not "night and day", but are very noticeable.
My recommendation is V&H Fuel Pak or Fuel Moto Micro Tuner, both around $300.
I've never tried the Micro Tuner, but reviews are good on both Fuel Moto and the Micro Tuner.
Keep an eye open on e-Bay or HDF's classifieds and chances are you will find a used Fuel Pak for less than half of the new price.
I got mine off e-Bay for $135 and have absolutely no regrets.
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Here's a good overview of the most popular options-
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Joined: Aug 2014
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From: San Diego
The bike will run with no problems without altering the ECM.
The ECM can compensate enough to handle the addition of an AC and pipes without any engine harm.
However to get the full benefit of the AC and pipes you need to either have the ECM "Stage 1" tuned or better yet add a fuel tuner.
The Dealer "Stage 1" ECM tune will make a difference, however you will not get a full "Stage 1" benefit due to the Dealer is limited on what they can do as to tuning because of EPA constraints.
IMO a fuel tuner is the better way to go and will complete your "Stage 1" upgrade.
It will give you better throttle response, increased mpg, cooler running and control decel pop.
The changes are not "night and day", but are very noticeable.
My recommendation is V&H Fuel Pak or Fuel Moto Micro Tuner, both around $300.
I've never tried the Micro Tuner, but reviews are good on both Fuel Moto and the Micro Tuner.
Keep an eye open on e-Bay or HDF's classifieds and chances are you will find a used Fuel Pak for less than half of the new price.
I got mine off e-Bay for $135 and have absolutely no regrets.
The ECM can compensate enough to handle the addition of an AC and pipes without any engine harm.
However to get the full benefit of the AC and pipes you need to either have the ECM "Stage 1" tuned or better yet add a fuel tuner.
The Dealer "Stage 1" ECM tune will make a difference, however you will not get a full "Stage 1" benefit due to the Dealer is limited on what they can do as to tuning because of EPA constraints.
IMO a fuel tuner is the better way to go and will complete your "Stage 1" upgrade.
It will give you better throttle response, increased mpg, cooler running and control decel pop.
The changes are not "night and day", but are very noticeable.
My recommendation is V&H Fuel Pak or Fuel Moto Micro Tuner, both around $300.
I've never tried the Micro Tuner, but reviews are good on both Fuel Moto and the Micro Tuner.
Keep an eye open on e-Bay or HDF's classifieds and chances are you will find a used Fuel Pak for less than half of the new price.
I got mine off e-Bay for $135 and have absolutely no regrets.
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Tourer
Joined: Sep 2014
Posts: 449
Likes: 3
From: England
The bike will run with no problems without altering the ECM.
The ECM can compensate enough to handle the addition of an AC and pipes without any engine harm.
However to get the full benefit of the AC and pipes you need to either have the ECM "Stage 1" tuned or better yet add a fuel tuner.
The Dealer "Stage 1" ECM tune will make a difference, however you will not get a full "Stage 1" benefit due to the Dealer is limited on what they can do as to tuning because of EPA constraints.
IMO a fuel tuner is the better way to go and will complete your "Stage 1" upgrade.
It will give you better throttle response, increased mpg, cooler running and control decel pop.
The changes are not "night and day", but are very noticeable.
My recommendation is V&H Fuel Pak or Fuel Moto Micro Tuner, both around $300.
I've never tried the Micro Tuner, but reviews are good on both Fuel Moto and the Micro Tuner.
Keep an eye open on e-Bay or HDF's classifieds and chances are you will find a used Fuel Pak for less than half of the new price.
I got mine off e-Bay for $135 and have absolutely no regrets.
The ECM can compensate enough to handle the addition of an AC and pipes without any engine harm.
However to get the full benefit of the AC and pipes you need to either have the ECM "Stage 1" tuned or better yet add a fuel tuner.
The Dealer "Stage 1" ECM tune will make a difference, however you will not get a full "Stage 1" benefit due to the Dealer is limited on what they can do as to tuning because of EPA constraints.
IMO a fuel tuner is the better way to go and will complete your "Stage 1" upgrade.
It will give you better throttle response, increased mpg, cooler running and control decel pop.
The changes are not "night and day", but are very noticeable.
My recommendation is V&H Fuel Pak or Fuel Moto Micro Tuner, both around $300.
I've never tried the Micro Tuner, but reviews are good on both Fuel Moto and the Micro Tuner.
Keep an eye open on e-Bay or HDF's classifieds and chances are you will find a used Fuel Pak for less than half of the new price.
I got mine off e-Bay for $135 and have absolutely no regrets.
Despite some opinions and bad reviews, I'm running FP3 and it works flawlessly for Stage 1 on my bike
Road Captain
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 673
Likes: 19
From: Folsom, CA
Same here...no issues with my FP3 either...have gotten very good results.
Road Warrior
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 1,698
Likes: 132
From: x
No complaints on my FP3 either. Now it may of just been the great sound of those new super radius pipes on my bike,but I don't think so. To me it felt like a night and day difference before and after I reflashed the new setup with the FP3 tuner. 2014 Fatboy Lo.