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I'm not sure this guy wants another Lithium battery.

 

I have too much other stuff to do instead of product testing new technology that wasn't stock on my bike from the start. I get 6 years or so with the AGM batteries I use; I'm good with that.

 

Interesting to me to see manufacturer claims of "Longer Life!", but then you look down and they say "One Year Warranty".
My Duracell from Batteries Plus came with a two year warranty, free replace.
Show your faith in the warranty, I say...

 

So what batteries are you chaps running in your Tesla and Prius cars?!

 

Or your cell phone or iPad or your laptop. Yes those are likely LiCoO2 but your Black and Decker probably uses the same LiFePO4 that the bike batteries do. I'm not hearing about those regularly having issues. The current Note7 being an exception. I will say though that it's not unheard of having a lead acid battery simply explode when boosting or charging so hazards exist regardless.

The LiFePO4 is inherently (due to the chemistry used) much safer that the LiCoO2 cell phone battery we put in our pockets.

Personally for a 900 - 1000lb bike, for me they aren't worth it yet. Prices will, however, surely come down in the long run.

 

The lith batteries have their place ,thats for sure!

When I was working in the semiconductor industry we had big issues with lit batteries in our work laptops overheating in some cases melting & in other cases in fact starting on fire.

Just like was it Boeing that a few yrs back had lith batteries igniting in the rear of their new jet design,then fast forward to todays issue with Samsung's gal-7 smartphone having issues huge issues with lith batteries igniting/starting on fire along with lith batteries in kids elec-motorized skate boards also overheating & or starting on fire too.

Lith bike batteries are not there yet esp when it comes to 2x-3x more cost vs AGM along with lith bike batteries also having to prove in real time use (BEING EXPOSED TO THE HEAT/VIBRATION & LOAD WHEN STARTING HD V-TWINS WHEN HOT & not just being tested in controlled lab cond) that lith bike batteries can in fact consistently/reliably last 5.5-6-7yrs in those cond like Yuasa & Deka AGM's also having good powerfull CCA power currently on the market today have already proven to consistently do for many yrs now @ 2x-3x lower cost too.

Oh,almost forgot,some lith bike batteries also need to be " woken up " in cooler/colder cond by tuning lights on & off a few times for x-amount of mins @ a time & or hitting starter button x-amount of times in a row in an effort to wake up/warm up a lith bike battery in cold start cond to increase its cold starting power/increase its CCA's to finally start the motor after playing around for a few mins.

I recently watched video on website showing cold start with new twinpower lith bike battery that chilled to 28-30deg f ish in another location (freezer?) & then installed in the bike.

Problem with that was the bike was nice & warm inside so the oil/motor/starter etc werent also at approx 30deg f at the time so it wasn't a true test of the lith bike batteries cold start ability & even with that they still had to play games with hitting the starter 4-5x to finally wake up the battery enough to start the motor that was nice/warm & comfy not being colder like the battery was at the time.

And then on top of that CCA testing is supposed to be done with battery @ zero/0 deg f and this was done with battery @ approx 28-30deg f so was in reality much closer to doing a CA test thats done at only 2 dewg higher temp of 32deg f.

No thanks at 2x-3x the cost with lith bike batteries yet to prove they can last 5.5-6-7+ yrs on avg along with reducing cost & improving cold temp performance too.

And as for the comments ref todays Hybrid Gas/elec cars most (other maybe chey's volt & or Nissan's Leaf) have a gas motor to take over if battery need recharging or if they have an issue with the battery can get home using the gas motor.

Yes Prius & other Hybrid car with lith battery tech have had good battery reliability, but dosen't mean Prius battery reliability directly transfers to lith bike batteries on the market today either.

Now prove lith bike batteries srv'c life is at least same or better then Yuasa's GYZ32HL & or Deka's ETX30L AGM bike batteris along with also improving cold temp perf and significantly reducing cost ,then that will get my attention enough to look into buying a lith battery for my touring HD.

JMHO on AGM vs Lith bike batteries currently on the market.

Scott

 

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Well MrBorwn,hows it going there Down Under where you reside?

Moving on,if i am not mistaken a more expensive newer gen higher quality Lith Ion type/design battery tech (or maybe even something else past today's lith bike battery design!) is being used in Tesla,Prius that may not be the same design/type lith battery tech/design thats in the avg lith bike battery currently on the market today.

So if thats the case (not 100% sure) it's not a fair comparison because if i am not mistaken Tesla/Prium use a dif & or upgraded higher lvl type design lith ion battery of some kind or maybe even something past basic Lith-ion design.

Maybe some else that knows for sure on current Tesla/Prius battery tech vs todays current lith bike battery tech will chime in to correct me if i am incorrect thinking they are somewhat diff type Lith battery tech.

But people are overlooking (just to name a few) the fact that lith batteries have a history of overheating & or starting on fire for example laptops (like happened to me 1st hand and many others too when was working in the semiconductor fld ) ,Boeing's new model jet a few yrs back having to remove the lith batteries that were starting on fire when under load & went back to AGM tech that could handle the load,kids elec/motorized skateboards that were burning up,samsungs gal-7 smartphones that were also burning up too & more!

So when it comes to current lith bike battery tech they still need to Prove reliability & long srv'c life,improve cold temp perf along with also significantly reducing cost too,then i will consider using a lith battery in my HD when the Yuasa GYZ32HL/500CCA battery currently in my bike gives up.

Happy motoring.

Scott

 

Hi Scott, I'm actually North of the US/Canada border! At the time I bought my Li battery for my Glide, there was no other solution available that gave adequate CCA and was small enough to fit the space available. I'm a great fan of AGM batteries and there may be a suitable one available now, I haven't looked. My Li hasn't done anything bad yet.

We have several threads going at present around HDF, which are a bit sniffy about modern tech. Another has criticised the aluminium frames of the latest Indian, yet I've owned Buells with 'em for over 13 years, just got back from a weekend away on my current Firebolt. My Glide's Li battery is admittedly not as old, but I don't currently have any concerns about it. (Groan - that might be called a pun!)

 

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