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after searching, listening and talking with other riders with slip-ons, i decided on the Samson rolled thunder pipes. however, i wasnt able to find a pair for under $300. lo and behold- J&P had ONE pair in the 'scratch/dent' section for $199. i got them and the imperfection was a 1" piece of plastic that was burnt on. took me all of 5 minutes to shine them up and about 10 minutes to install them. they sound GREAT! i love em.