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Old Jul 9, 2010 | 07:40 PM
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Actually, with todays fuel injected engines, that's not correct as the FI system will compensate for the increased altitude and keep the fuel mixture pretty much were it's supposed to be. For that matter, the CV carburators they used to put on the bikes will also self compensate a little for changes in altitude. They're not as good as FI but they're way better than the older non-CV style carbs that were around when I first learned how to ride.

The reason an engine doesn't need as much octane at altitude is because with altitude, there is less "air pressure!" Because of the lower pressure, the engine can't pull in as much air at a given throttle opening as it could at sea level. For example, an engine at full throttle and 10,000 feet "above" sea level might only pull as much air in as it would at 2/3's throttle at sea level because of the difference in air pressure. That example is only given as a reference and I have no idea what the difference would really be. Anyway, with a lower effective throttle setting comes less load on the engine and a lower need for octane in the fuel.



That would be true if we were all stock or runniong wide band O2 sensors. Most of us aren't though. Most of us have no feedback from the O2 sensors because we have increased the A/F ratio to higher than the narrow band O2 sensors can register.
 
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Old Jul 9, 2010 | 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by mike5511
Got a trip planned out west again. I think I will drop down in octane ratings when we get out in the higher elevations. ( Trip = Northern CO - Jackson Hole - Idaho - Bear Tooth Pass, WY and home.) P.S. can't wait to ride across Kansas in late July!!
You may find that you don't have to make that decision...the decision is already made. I live in northern Colorado and all the stations around here have 91 octane as the max.

I use the 91 because when I tried the regular or mid grade it felt like my bike was running hotter. Don't know why, just felt like it.
 
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Old Jul 9, 2010 | 10:34 PM
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50% 100 LL av. gas and 50% 92 octane pump gas works real good.
 
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Old Jul 10, 2010 | 12:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Pass Rider
You may find that you don't have to make that decision...the decision is already made. I live in northern Colorado and all the stations around here have 91 octane as the max.

I use the 91 because when I tried the regular or mid grade it felt like my bike was running hotter. Don't know why, just felt like it.
Yeah I have run the 91 when out that way before with no ill effects. Even ran the lowest octane a time or two with no bad effects. I will pay more attention to my fuel mileage from now on when I drop down in octane rating and see what happens.
 
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Old Jul 10, 2010 | 01:55 AM
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As stated by others, I too am no expert and going back to my thermo studies at uni 20 years ago, my understanding of octane ratings for petrol (does not apply to Diesel) was that it also quantifies flame propogation rate on ignition. Too fast and too slow are not good for the engine. Knocking occurs as a result of flame propogation being to high.

I may well be wrong but that is how I have always understood it
 
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Old Jul 10, 2010 | 06:11 AM
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i put the best i can find when i'm fueling. if only 87 is available it's a no brainer, i'm not gonna walk just cause my bike likes to eat the good stuff though.
 
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Old Jul 10, 2010 | 07:24 AM
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what is a " terry component " and how does it work ?
 
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Old Jul 11, 2010 | 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by mike5511
Got a trip planned out west again. I think I will drop down in octane ratings when we get out in the higher elevations. ( Trip = Northern CO - Jackson Hole - Idaho - Bear Tooth Pass, WY and home.)
That you will, whether you want to our not. Unless things have changed, I think you'll find the octane levels are already somewhat lower up in the mountains than what you find closer to sea level. Sounds like a great trip though!

Originally Posted by mike5511
P.S. can't wait to ride across Kansas in late July!!
Oooo, BT, DT, GTTS! Don't envy you on that on. Be sure and stay hydrated and..........

Ride Safe,
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Old Jul 11, 2010 | 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by desertclassic
91 is about the best I can find around here. I try to use Shell.
Same here.
 
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Old Jul 11, 2010 | 08:00 PM
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My bike runs best on Shell V-Power 93 octane premium.
 
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