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E85
I see where this was discussed back in 2006 but is 2011. With the availability of e85 why are there no upgrades to do it? I am new to motorcycles So here is my question. Motorcycle engines being air cooled should benefit from e85 running cooler. On a efi engine it should take nothing more than injectors, fuel pump, and a tune. I would like to hear what the tuners here have to say what they think the pros and cons would be.
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I don't think it's that simple. My 2010 Chevy pickup likes E85 but I think there's a lot of engine management technology that goes into using it. Chevy advises against mixing near-equal quantities of E85 and gasoline, and that the engine needs some time to "re-tune" itself when switching between the two fuels.
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Only an inbred mutant moron would try to add the much larger injectors that would be required along with all new fuel system from the tank to the injectors made of SS or plastic. Then you would have to invest $$$ to write a one-off program for the ECM.
You would loose mpg and power with that crap. Name one HD owner that wants to have his ride make less power. In fact the drop in mgp's does not make up for the slight reduction in price over regular gas. With the end of tax payer provided subsidies finally being cut off, the E85 crap will be more expensive. Even the idiot Al Gore admits that alcohol for gas was a mistake.
With E85 you never want to go below a 1/4 tank or more than that before adding the other type fuel. Then you are suggested to sit and run the engine for awhile until the new mix is through the fuel system and the ECM determines what to do with the injectors and the AFR. Sounds great to me.
There is no benefit from running E85. Look for it to die a well deserved death in the next couple years. The diversion of corn to ethanol production in the US has led to major problems in third world countries with the increased cost of grain. We lost huge $ in the reduction of grain exports.
To the OP since your are so concerned about this issue, how many E85 vehicles do you have and how much do you use? In other words put your money where your big mouth is.
You would loose mpg and power with that crap. Name one HD owner that wants to have his ride make less power. In fact the drop in mgp's does not make up for the slight reduction in price over regular gas. With the end of tax payer provided subsidies finally being cut off, the E85 crap will be more expensive. Even the idiot Al Gore admits that alcohol for gas was a mistake.
With E85 you never want to go below a 1/4 tank or more than that before adding the other type fuel. Then you are suggested to sit and run the engine for awhile until the new mix is through the fuel system and the ECM determines what to do with the injectors and the AFR. Sounds great to me.
There is no benefit from running E85. Look for it to die a well deserved death in the next couple years. The diversion of corn to ethanol production in the US has led to major problems in third world countries with the increased cost of grain. We lost huge $ in the reduction of grain exports.
To the OP since your are so concerned about this issue, how many E85 vehicles do you have and how much do you use? In other words put your money where your big mouth is.
Last edited by lh4x4; Jul 10, 2011 at 11:44 PM.
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Only an inbred mutant moron would try to add the much larger injectors that would be required along with all new fuel system from the tank to the injectors made of SS or plastic. Then you would have to invest $$$ to write a one-off program for the ECM.
You would loose mpg and power with that crap. Name one HD owner that wants to have his ride make less power. In fact the drop in mgp's does not make up for the slight reduction in price over regular gas. With the end of tax payer provided subsidies finally being cut off, the E85 crap will be more expensive. Even the idiot Al Gore admits that alcohol for gas was a mistake.
With E85 you never want to go below a 1/4 tank or more than that before adding the other type fuel. Then you are suggested to sit and run the engine for awhile until the new mix is through the fuel system and the ECM determines what to do with the injectors and the AFR. Sounds great to me.
There is no benefit from running E85. Look for it to die a well deserved death in the next couple years. The diversion of corn to ethanol production in the US has led to major problems in third world countries with the increased cost of grain. We lost huge $ in the reduction of grain exports.
To the OP since your are so concerned about this issue, how many E85 vehicles do you have and how much do you use? In other words put your money where your big mouth is.
You would loose mpg and power with that crap. Name one HD owner that wants to have his ride make less power. In fact the drop in mgp's does not make up for the slight reduction in price over regular gas. With the end of tax payer provided subsidies finally being cut off, the E85 crap will be more expensive. Even the idiot Al Gore admits that alcohol for gas was a mistake.
With E85 you never want to go below a 1/4 tank or more than that before adding the other type fuel. Then you are suggested to sit and run the engine for awhile until the new mix is through the fuel system and the ECM determines what to do with the injectors and the AFR. Sounds great to me.
There is no benefit from running E85. Look for it to die a well deserved death in the next couple years. The diversion of corn to ethanol production in the US has led to major problems in third world countries with the increased cost of grain. We lost huge $ in the reduction of grain exports.
To the OP since your are so concerned about this issue, how many E85 vehicles do you have and how much do you use? In other words put your money where your big mouth is.
Last edited by m361; Jul 11, 2011 at 12:24 AM.
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the mileage with e85 sucks but i do believe it makes more power in most instances being that its 105 octane.. i dont think the power difference would be enough for me to want to stop that much more often for fuel.
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I have been running E85 in my A&A supercharged Corvette for three years. E85 is 100 octane, and since it runs cooler than gasoline I have been able to run essentially the same set up (with a slightly larger injector) that I had to have 110 octane VP racing gas for before.
Any one who thinks E85 is more expensive hasn't priced 100 octane gasoline since 1990. It was $16.00 a gallon for VP100 last I checked.
Just imagine the compression (and power) you could add with a cool burning 100+ octane fuel in your Harley. I would think it would be easy to go up 20% in injector size, do a conservative jump to say 12.5:1 compression ratio, and some dino time.
Virtually all pump gas has alcohol in it now, and all modern production vehicles fuel systems can handle ethanol.
In the Vette I picked up an easy 150 h.p. and a little more torque, and dropped temps about 15deg. ave.
Any one who thinks E85 is more expensive hasn't priced 100 octane gasoline since 1990. It was $16.00 a gallon for VP100 last I checked.
Just imagine the compression (and power) you could add with a cool burning 100+ octane fuel in your Harley. I would think it would be easy to go up 20% in injector size, do a conservative jump to say 12.5:1 compression ratio, and some dino time.
Virtually all pump gas has alcohol in it now, and all modern production vehicles fuel systems can handle ethanol.
In the Vette I picked up an easy 150 h.p. and a little more torque, and dropped temps about 15deg. ave.
Last edited by Thickraybans; Jul 11, 2011 at 01:00 AM.
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From: Montana
I read the octain is higher, but the BTU is lower- It attracts moisture from the air like a sponge and it's taking food off the tables of many families, My taxes subsidizes its production and it takes 10 gallons of good clean drinkable water away from my water picture to make one gallon of that stuff. I would avoid it at every fuel stop and I hope everyone else does too. Other than that, well it's a crappy idea and it pi$$es me off when I don't have a choice when traveling across country...sorry for the rant..a stupid idea from a stupid looser with a group of stupid followers supporting his idea. wheww..
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Why not use a fuel that everyone else is paying for? Sounds like a good idea to me.
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Only an inbred mutant moron would try to add the much larger injectors that would be required along with all new fuel system from the tank to the injectors made of SS or plastic. Then you would have to invest $$$ to write a one-off program for the ECM.
You would loose mpg and power with that crap. Name one HD owner that wants to have his ride make less power. In fact the drop in mgp's does not make up for the slight reduction in price over regular gas. With the end of tax payer provided subsidies finally being cut off, the E85 crap will be more expensive. Even the idiot Al Gore admits that alcohol for gas was a mistake.
With E85 you never want to go below a 1/4 tank or more than that before adding the other type fuel. Then you are suggested to sit and run the engine for awhile until the new mix is through the fuel system and the ECM determines what to do with the injectors and the AFR. Sounds great to me.
There is no benefit from running E85. Look for it to die a well deserved death in the next couple years. The diversion of corn to ethanol production in the US has led to major problems in third world countries with the increased cost of grain. We lost huge $ in the reduction of grain exports.
To the OP since your are so concerned about this issue, how many E85 vehicles do you have and how much do you use? In other words put your money where your big mouth is.
You would loose mpg and power with that crap. Name one HD owner that wants to have his ride make less power. In fact the drop in mgp's does not make up for the slight reduction in price over regular gas. With the end of tax payer provided subsidies finally being cut off, the E85 crap will be more expensive. Even the idiot Al Gore admits that alcohol for gas was a mistake.
With E85 you never want to go below a 1/4 tank or more than that before adding the other type fuel. Then you are suggested to sit and run the engine for awhile until the new mix is through the fuel system and the ECM determines what to do with the injectors and the AFR. Sounds great to me.
There is no benefit from running E85. Look for it to die a well deserved death in the next couple years. The diversion of corn to ethanol production in the US has led to major problems in third world countries with the increased cost of grain. We lost huge $ in the reduction of grain exports.
To the OP since your are so concerned about this issue, how many E85 vehicles do you have and how much do you use? In other words put your money where your big mouth is.
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I have been running E85 in my A&A supercharged Corvette for three years. E85 is 100 octane, and since it runs cooler than gasoline I have been able to run essentially the same set up (with a slightly larger injector) that I had to have 110 octane VP racing gas for before.
Any one who thinks E85 is more expensive hasn't priced 100 octane gasoline since 1990. It was $16.00 a gallon for VP100 last I checked.
Just imagine the compression (and power) you could add with a cool burning 100+ octane fuel in your Harley. I would think it would be easy to go up 20% in injector size, do a conservative jump to say 12.5:1 compression ratio, and some dino time.
Virtually all pump gas has alcohol in it now, and all modern production vehicles fuel systems can handle ethanol.
In the Vette I picked up an easy 150 h.p. and a little more torque, and dropped temps about 15deg. ave.
Any one who thinks E85 is more expensive hasn't priced 100 octane gasoline since 1990. It was $16.00 a gallon for VP100 last I checked.
Just imagine the compression (and power) you could add with a cool burning 100+ octane fuel in your Harley. I would think it would be easy to go up 20% in injector size, do a conservative jump to say 12.5:1 compression ratio, and some dino time.
Virtually all pump gas has alcohol in it now, and all modern production vehicles fuel systems can handle ethanol.
In the Vette I picked up an easy 150 h.p. and a little more torque, and dropped temps about 15deg. ave.
Now I don't know about the components in H-D Fuel Injection systems, but if you do not have a flex-fuel compatible car, you run a risk of damaging aluminum fuel rails, injector o-rings, and fuel lines.
On a side note, your Corvette sounds bad ***. What will it run the 1/4 mile in?
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