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Old Jan 16, 2014 | 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by '05Train
The difference in my stock 2012 CVO with and without a tune was huge. Bike ran smoother, cooler, etc. just on that alone. I tell everyone to get a tuner before they start changing exhausts and air cleaners....That's where the biggest gains are to be had.
I'm not sure on the difference but I'm guessing there is a pretty big difference between '07 and '12 factory tunes? Maybe not???
 
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Old Jan 16, 2014 | 06:56 PM
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I bought the power vision based on
Can ride and adjust without pulling out a laptop, downloading, then adjust, then ride again & repeat process all over again.
Has quick tune feature that's easy to use.
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Old Jan 16, 2014 | 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by 0ldhippie
I'm not sure on the difference but I'm guessing there is a pretty big difference between '07 and '12 factory tunes? Maybe not???
Your new forum name is "Hippie 3-Times".....

I honestly don't know. I would think that the 2007 tune might be a little better than the 2012 tune, but I dunno. I can say that on my 2010 FLHTK and my 2012 FLHTCUSE7, a tune made a big difference with stock air cleaner, mufflers, and catalytic converter in place.
 
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Old Jan 16, 2014 | 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by '05Train
Your new forum name is "Hippie 3-Times".....

I honestly don't know. I would think that the 2007 tune might be a little better than the 2012 tune, but I dunno. I can say that on my 2010 FLHTK and my 2012 FLHTCUSE7, a tune made a big difference with stock air cleaner, mufflers, and catalytic converter in place.
The 07 uses software strategy 176 which is for cable actuated throttle. The 12 touring uses 044 strategy or can use 009 strategy which is for Throttle by wire. The throttle by wire will not work on a cable throttle.
A tuner with a decent map will improve the performance everytime.
 
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Old Jan 17, 2014 | 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by ke5rbd
The 07 uses software strategy 176 which is for cable actuated throttle. The 12 touring uses 044 strategy or can use 009 strategy which is for Throttle by wire. The throttle by wire will not work on a cable throttle.
A tuner with a decent map will improve the performance everytime.
Of course it does. It also has a different exhaust setup. That has nothing to do with the calibration regarding AFR, timing, VE, etc.
 
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Old Jan 17, 2014 | 05:29 AM
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TTS is the way to go.
 
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Old Jan 17, 2014 | 11:02 AM
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I'll bet those guys on the beemer forums were sorry to see you go, LOL!!!
 
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Old Jan 17, 2014 | 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by '05Train
Of course it does. It also has a different exhaust setup. That has nothing to do with the calibration regarding AFR, timing, VE, etc.
You really can't put a 2010 to 2013 map which uses 044 or 009 strategy on a 2007 bike with a 176 strategy is what I was saying. You can't do it with a PV, or SEPST or TTS. There is definitely a difference as the 2007 uses throttle position for the vertical cells on the VE table and the 2010 up uses Manifold absolute Pressure or % load to determine the vertical position. The throttle position and percent load are not the same. Only time they are is when the throttle is wide open. The 2014 touring maps can uses either type map with the PV. They only use throttle position on the SEPST and don't know on TTS. The OP asked if there was a difference in the two years and yes the ECM is probably twice as fast on the 12 as the 07.
 
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Old Jan 17, 2014 | 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by ke5rbd
You really can't put a 2010 to 2013 map which uses 044 or 009 strategy on a 2007 bike with a 176 strategy is what I was saying. You can't do it with a PV, or SEPST or TTS. There is definitely a difference as the 2007 uses throttle position for the vertical cells on the VE table and the 2010 up uses Manifold absolute Pressure or % load to determine the vertical position. The throttle position and percent load are not the same. Only time they are is when the throttle is wide open. The 2014 touring maps can uses either type map with the PV. They only use throttle position on the SEPST and don't know on TTS. The OP asked if there was a difference in the two years and yes the ECM is probably twice as fast on the 12 as the 07.
I'm not sure where you're getting this from, but I never suggested you could use a 2012 calibration in a 2007 bike....I'm well aware of the physical differences between years. I'm merely stating that the tune itself (AFR/Lambda, timing, VEs, etc) are not appreciably different.

IOW, the timing tables, target AFRs, and VEs are going to be damn close to one another even though the processor and tuning methods are different.
 
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Old Jan 17, 2014 | 04:26 PM
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I have a Powercommander III USB I used on my 07 FLHX you can have for 75.00!

I went full bore and now with a ThunderMax
 
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