Performance tuners
Cruiser
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From: Flowery Branch,Ga.
if he doesn't jump on the power commander give me a shout , I might take it off your hands
Marty ( palatium@bellsouth.net)
Marty ( palatium@bellsouth.net)
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From: New Braunfels, Texas
There is absolutely no substitute for a custom tune. Find a recommended tuner in you local area and find out what tuner they prefer. I like the TTS but there are other good tuners. Do any other wanted mods before the tune, i.e., high flow air filter, ect.
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From: 'Noke, VA
You really can't put a 2010 to 2013 map which uses 044 or 009 strategy on a 2007 bike with a 176 strategy is what I was saying. You can't do it with a PV, or SEPST or TTS. There is definitely a difference as the 2007 uses throttle position for the vertical cells on the VE table and the 2010 up uses Manifold absolute Pressure or % load to determine the vertical position. The throttle position and percent load are not the same. Only time they are is when the throttle is wide open. The 2014 touring maps can uses either type map with the PV. They only use throttle position on the SEPST and don't know on TTS. The OP asked if there was a difference in the two years and yes the ECM is probably twice as fast on the 12 as the 07.
I'm not sure where you're getting this from, but I never suggested you could use a 2012 calibration in a 2007 bike....I'm well aware of the physical differences between years. I'm merely stating that the tune itself (AFR/Lambda, timing, VEs, etc) are not appreciably different.
IOW, the timing tables, target AFRs, and VEs are going to be damn close to one another even though the processor and tuning methods are different.
IOW, the timing tables, target AFRs, and VEs are going to be damn close to one another even though the processor and tuning methods are different.
It'd be interesting to run an exhaust probe on a dyne with two stock bikes (2007 & 2012) to see what the actual difference in mixture is.....I'd bet the tune might be a bit leaner on the '12 due to the converter, but that's a SWAG.
Road Warrior
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From: Monroe, Louisiana
For giggles I took a look at a couple of different TTS calibrations.....CTC009-03 for 2012 and CPZ176-03 for 2007. They're both basic A/C only tunes, so they should be somewhat similar. As you noted, they're displayed differently due to both the MAP/TP difference and far greater resolution in the newer cal (more gradients in RPM and MAP for timing, etc). Still, if you start looking at individual cells, they're pretty close.
It'd be interesting to run an exhaust probe on a dyne with two stock bikes (2007 & 2012) to see what the actual difference in mixture is.....I'd bet the tune might be a bit leaner on the '12 due to the converter, but that's a SWAG.
It'd be interesting to run an exhaust probe on a dyne with two stock bikes (2007 & 2012) to see what the actual difference in mixture is.....I'd bet the tune might be a bit leaner on the '12 due to the converter, but that's a SWAG.
I have built well over 50 maps for folks and the easiest are the ones with cams. The difficult ones are the stock and stock CVO's. The new cams in the 14's are actually very easy to tune and perform real well. I have done 5 2014's 3 on SEPST and 2 on PV's. Getting off subject.
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From: NW Arkansas
Check out the link below. This has worked well for me. No expensive dyno tunes and trying to find somebody that can actually do a good dyno tune, no screwing around with a laptop trying to achieve the perfect tune. Just install and go. And once you get it set up, if you make exhaust changes or breather changes, cam changes, it will re-adjust and keep on going.
http://www.revperf.com/ems.php
http://www.revperf.com/ems.php
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From: Indian Land, SC
Check out the link below. This has worked well for me. No expensive dyno tunes and trying to find somebody that can actually do a good dyno tune, no screwing around with a laptop trying to achieve the perfect tune. Just install and go. And once you get it set up, if you make exhaust changes or breather changes, cam changes, it will re-adjust and keep on going. http://www.revperf.com/ems.php
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From: NW Arkansas
http://www.revperf.com/precisionfaq.php
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I was doing cams when I got mine so I'm good. the following is what it says on their website.....question #11 I believe.
http://www.revperf.com/precisionfaq.php
http://www.revperf.com/precisionfaq.php
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