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RE: mini rant!!1 - 5/19/2008 1:33:41 PM
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Thumper26
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Getting from point A to point B is plenty quick with what you've already done, and remember, over half the fun and enjoyment is the twisties on a Sportster and the ability to take in your surrounds as you ride. I personally think you've got a hot 883, but agree you've done TOO much to get it there. Maybe a different dyno, just in case his is off. If you don't like the results from what you've done, you'd better buy a Hyabusa or ZX14 and forget what riding a Harley is all about.
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RE: mini rant!!1 - 5/19/2008 1:53:23 PM
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SPECIAL ED
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It looks like it's dropping off up top, maybe just a bigger main jet?
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RE: mini rant!!1 - 5/19/2008 1:53:52 PM
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Demonsmasher
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This is why I really don't care about suping it up. I just like the ride and thats all there is to it.
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RE: mini rant!!1 - 5/19/2008 2:00:12 PM
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Thumper26
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ORIGINAL: SPECIAL ED
It looks like it's dropping off up top, maybe just a bigger main jet?
That's a good point. I'm running a Stage .5 on an otherwise stock 1200 with a 185 main. BUT, if needed, your dyno guy should have picked that up.
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RE: mini rant!!1 - 5/19/2008 3:13:37 PM
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Thumper26
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Don't get me wrong I love my Sportster and I am content with what I have done...
I can understand where he is coming from ...but if it were me I would try and help someone with what they have and not tell them to change everything.
I'm glad to hear you're happy with the bike - you had me scared!
I agree that he could have, and should have, been more helpful rather than critical.
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RE: mini rant!!1 - 5/19/2008 3:21:41 PM
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It looks like it's dropping off up top, maybe just a bigger main jet?
That's a good point. I'm running a Stage .5 on an otherwise stock 1200 with a 185 main. BUT, if needed, your dyno guy should have picked that up.
+1 A dyno run without a A/F ratio graph is pretty useless for analysing why it's running out of steam. Your gain though isn't bad where it counts in the 3500 - 4500 rpm range.
You are also probably stepping on your dong if you are running the SE Ignition module, the spark advance timing blows for your application. If you didn't see this thread I posted last week it will show you what I'm talking about.
http://www.hdforums.com/m_3369501/tm.htm
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RE: mini rant!!1 - 5/19/2008 3:54:26 PM
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SpursDarkrider
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I guess if i wante to bur the road up i shoulda got a busa
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RE: mini rant!!1 - 5/19/2008 6:05:02 PM
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Why would he show you bikes that are making numbers in the hundreds that are NOT comparable to yours? What difference does it make if some 110 cubic inch is posting higher numbers? The only results that would really be of value to you are dyno sheets from similar bikes with similar set-ups... This guy doesn't sound very helpful at all. If it were me, I'd be finding another dealer that treated me with a little more respect 
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RE: mini rant!!1 - 5/19/2008 6:20:17 PM
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I think that shops reputation needs a re-evaluation. The guy sounds like a douche bag know-nothing prick and didn't really help you AT ALL. If he builds drag bikes, then he should understand that not everyone rides one. Who cares what you're riding besides you? All you're asking him to do is run it and give you information on what you can do to further tune your current setup. In not doing so...he is in fact an ass hat with a super ego.
Run it at a shop that gives a damn and get an A/F reading...this will show you where your problems are so you know WHAT you need to do to correct them. After you clean up your tune, then worry about further upgrades.
And just from what I'm seeing...it doesn't look like you're too out of whack.
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RE: mini rant!!1 - 5/19/2008 6:25:10 PM
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cHarley
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Well this guy isn't a dealer. He is just a Harley performance shop. I guess he was just boasting that his work made good numbers.
So on that TC88A unit. Is it something that is plug and play or do I still need to take it and have it tuned? As one said, I don't know why the dyno didn't have an air/fuel ratio on it. A dyno is useless without it.
The TC88A comes with a map but it is optimized for the TC88 motor. You can either have it tuned by a decent dyno guy, or if you have a laptop and buy the connecting cable, I can send you the optimized map I am using and you can just load it to the module yourself.
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RE: mini rant!!1 - 5/20/2008 6:49:31 AM
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rob i
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EricM-
As someone who works in sales, let me tell you that this guy is using a sleazy tactic called a negative sell. It is employed by the lowest of the low in the sales world. It's generally a tactic that is used when the seller has no confidence in their own product and relies on bashing others in order to secure a sale. It's an awful tactic and one that when used on me causes me to walk, no, run away. I do not ever deal with someone that uses a negative sell.
You have a great set up. Take it to someone else if you want to eek every bit of performance out of it. Do not go back to this huckster.
A good salesman, no matter what industry he works in, will never use a negative sell. They may point out things in their own products that perhaps makes up for deficiencies in a competitors without bashing said competitor. A good sales person that is selling a good product does not need to bash another's.
Rob
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RE: mini rant!!1 - 5/20/2008 7:20:43 AM
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Zimbob
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The only thing I would change is the ignition. I used the Dana ignition on my conversion and I loved it. It's programmable, You can set the timeing for the front and rear cylinder indipendantly of each other. Other than that, you have a good sound setup.Don't worry about that poor excuse for an oxygen user, He shoould be stayed away from. He gives "wrenches" a bad name.
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