Downshift issues...normal?
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Not exactly a Harley application, but here's something on Redline:
REDLINE SHOCKPROOF There are concerns about using REDLINE SHOCKPROOF type gear oils inside manual transmissions. While this is truly an excellent product, it has been found that the heavy Teflon-like particles are quickly centrifuged out of the oil and will build up inside the center diff housing and around the synchronizers and inside of the gearshafts. After several oil changes this build up may block oiling passages inside the gearshafts that lubricate the needle bearings and can reduce the overall effectiveness of the synchronizers, leading to poor shift quality. ( http://www.teamrip.com/images/EVO%20...6_build-up.jpg ) Also this oil is has too high of a viscosity for winter use. Therefore we do not suggest using SHOCKPROOF in the transmission unless the transmission is to be serviced often or a dog box.
http://www.teamrip.com/manual_transm...tion_info.html
REDLINE SHOCKPROOF There are concerns about using REDLINE SHOCKPROOF type gear oils inside manual transmissions. While this is truly an excellent product, it has been found that the heavy Teflon-like particles are quickly centrifuged out of the oil and will build up inside the center diff housing and around the synchronizers and inside of the gearshafts. After several oil changes this build up may block oiling passages inside the gearshafts that lubricate the needle bearings and can reduce the overall effectiveness of the synchronizers, leading to poor shift quality. ( http://www.teamrip.com/images/EVO%20...6_build-up.jpg ) Also this oil is has too high of a viscosity for winter use. Therefore we do not suggest using SHOCKPROOF in the transmission unless the transmission is to be serviced often or a dog box.
http://www.teamrip.com/manual_transm...tion_info.html
Stage I
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Fact check: Baker does NOT recommend Redline, they recommend Spectro. https://bakerdrivetrain.com/frequently-asked-questions
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Fact check: Baker does NOT recommend Redline, they recommend Spectro. https://bakerdrivetrain.com/frequently-asked-questions
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Fact check: Baker does NOT recommend Redline, they recommend Spectro. https://bakerdrivetrain.com/frequently-asked-questions
I dug
https://www.hdforums.com/forum/prima...l#post10158455
http://www.*****************/forums/...trans-oil.html
(really they block other forums sites? thats a little childish. well if you look for a thread on a "v-twin" related forum youll see)
Last edited by grapeapes; Aug 8, 2015 at 04:01 PM.
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Just a preference from my point of view.
I dug
https://www.hdforums.com/forum/prima...l#post10158455
http://www.*****************/forums/...trans-oil.html
(really they block other forums sites? thats a little childish. well if you look for a thread on a "v-twin" related forum youll see)
I dug
https://www.hdforums.com/forum/prima...l#post10158455
http://www.*****************/forums/...trans-oil.html
(really they block other forums sites? thats a little childish. well if you look for a thread on a "v-twin" related forum youll see)
Or Spectro ponied up a few more Benjamins then Redline...LOL!
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Redline may well lubricate a tranny nicely, but its thickness, especially over time when it gets aerated and looks like Pepto Bismol could account for the OP's inability to do multiple downshifts with the clutch pulled in. It will be interesting to see if this theory is validated when he changes out to Spectro.
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Down shifting through multiple gears without letting the clutch out is bad riding technique... Try it sometime tranny doesn't like to shift this way... Also of course you should be engine braking... Helps you slow down quicker and saves on your brakes... Are there really guys riding that don't know this?
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Just got back from Nashville and put 1000 miles on the bike. Before I left, I swapped out the Syn3 in the primary and trans to Redline. I ran around the day before I left NC and had an issue on the way home where I came off the interstate downshifting from 6th to 1st. I didn't engine brake much and dropped it pretty quick from 4th to 1st and it didn't want to downshift. I had to let the clutch out between each gear to get it into 1st. Didn't think too much of it thinking maybe it was a fluid change thing. Didn't do it again, so I headed out to Nashville without issue. On the way home I was getting off for gas in the exact same situation and it happened again. Got to the stop sign and I had to let the clutch out after each shift to get it down into 1st. Can anyone enlighten me on this? My last bike was an 03 with a 5 speed and obviously different clutch.
Last edited by Roadglide33; Aug 8, 2015 at 08:11 PM.
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Down shifting through multiple gears without letting the clutch out is bad riding technique... Try it sometime tranny doesn't like to shift this way... Also of course you should be engine braking... Helps you slow down quicker and saves on your brakes... Are there really guys riding that don't know this?
Additionally, I know for sure that I'd rather wear out my brake pads than my clutch and drive train. Downshifting through the gears while holding the clutch in does no damage at all and your tranny doesn't know the difference, just as long as you're going slow enough when you do it.
You wouldn't want to be coasting at 60 and try to gear down through the gears to 1st. but that's just common sense.
Last edited by jpooch00; Aug 8, 2015 at 08:21 PM.
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I don't know where your info came from, but it's outdated. I DO remember way back in the dim, dark days of cable or rod-operated drum brakes on bikes when people (including myself) used to use engine braking to slow down, since that was more effective than the brakes at that time, but with hydraulic discs, and now ABS, that's a thing of the past.
Additionally, I know that I'd rather wear out my brake pads than my clutch and drive train. Downshifting through the gears while holding the clutch in does no damage at all and your tranny doesn't know the difference, just as long as you're going slow enough when you do it.
You wouldn't want to be coasting at 60 and try to gear down through the gears to 1st. but that's just common sense.
Additionally, I know that I'd rather wear out my brake pads than my clutch and drive train. Downshifting through the gears while holding the clutch in does no damage at all and your tranny doesn't know the difference, just as long as you're going slow enough when you do it.
You wouldn't want to be coasting at 60 and try to gear down through the gears to 1st. but that's just common sense.