Finding neutral difficult
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When I removed my primary cover and checked the adjustment of my clutch from the factory, I found it to be quite a bit out of adjustment from where the service said it should be. The cable adjustment was fine, but the clutch itself was far too tight. I wouldn't assume the factory did it right, hell, I had a primary bolt back out within 2 days of riding my bike home.
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voornas (06-12-2019)
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It's a really good habit to keep the bike in gear at stops. That said, I have a 2014 Heritage with 5000 miles, and it's STILL a PIA to get it into neutral-usually I have to shift out of first using my heel on the rear shift lever.
Shifting into neutral on my other bikes is butter smooth. Go figure.
Shifting into neutral on my other bikes is butter smooth. Go figure.
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voornas (06-12-2019)
#13
Huh? My 2018 Softail manual says you can go to neutral from first or second and doesn’t say anywhere to go from only first. That’s a good thing for me because mine is finicky and I almost always have to go from second. It’s gotten easier over time but I think that’s more from me just getting a better feel for it. In contrast, my wife’s 2019 Lowrider is easy to get into neutral from either first or second. Our bikes just have different personalities.
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voornas (06-12-2019)
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Ya know, I've been riding on the street for over 40 years now, plus a few years on dirt bikes before that, and I can't say I've ever needed to suddenly pop out of the way for some cager barelling down behind me while I'm waiting at a light. I almost always go into neutral, but also work to keep alert on all sides and prepared to act and react as needed. I've lived in both rural and urban (Boston, Phoenix, metro DC) settings.
Maybe MSF teaches you to leave the bike in gear and be prepared to move on an instant's notice. Not sure that's a totally terrible idea, but I'd say the risk of accidentally popping the clutch and unintentionally entering an intersection with cross traffic because you left it in gear is at least as great as getting rear ended while waiting for the light to change.
Leaving the bike in gear while waiting is fatiguing. It's not that good for the bike, as you're holding the clutch open on it's throwout bearing. I think the HD uses a little roller bearing setup. The BMW boxers don't even have a proper bearing - just a little ball-ended rod you need to grease. Holding that clutch in is like holding the handle on a hand grenade with the pin pulled. You may only encounter that car from behind situation once in your life, but you'd be holding that hand grenade every time if you leave it in gear. What do you think is more likely to happen?
Like so much of life, some benefits come from preparation and some come from just paying attention, keeping alert, and being prepared to act. MSF be d@mned if that's what they teach.
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FWIW, all of my bikes are pretty easy to hit neutral from second when coming to a stop, but it's best to get it into neutral while still rolling at low speed to keep the trans spinning. Sometimes neutral can be hard to find and you end up hunting between first and second, but it's always hardest to do with the engine running and the bike not moving. Better to find it while you're still rolling.
And for the OP, you might want to check your trans fluid level. Too much fluid and your clutch will drag making it harder to find neutral.
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Ya know, I've been riding on the street for over 40 years now, plus a few years on dirt bikes before that, and I can't say I've ever needed to suddenly pop out of the way for some cager barelling down behind me while I'm waiting at a light. I almost always go into neutral, but also work to keep alert on all sides and prepared to act and react as needed. I've lived in both rural and urban (Boston, Phoenix, metro DC) settings.
Maybe MSF teaches you to leave the bike in gear and be prepared to move on an instant's notice. Not sure that's a totally terrible idea, but I'd say the risk of accidentally popping the clutch and unintentionally entering an intersection with cross traffic because you left it in gear is at least as great as getting rear ended while waiting for the light to change.
Leaving the bike in gear while waiting is fatiguing. It's not that good for the bike, as you're holding the clutch open on it's throwout bearing. I think the HD uses a little roller bearing setup. The BMW boxers don't even have a proper bearing - just a little ball-ended rod you need to grease. Holding that clutch in is like holding the handle on a hand grenade with the pin pulled. You may only encounter that car from behind situation once in your life, but you'd be holding that hand grenade every time if you leave it in gear. What do you think is more likely to happen?
Like so much of life, some benefits come from preparation and some come from just paying attention, keeping alert, and being prepared to act. MSF be d@mned if that's what they teach.
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FWIW, all of my bikes are pretty easy to hit neutral from second when coming to a stop, but it's best to get it into neutral while still rolling at low speed to keep the trans spinning. Sometimes neutral can be hard to find and you end up hunting between first and second, but it's always hardest to do with the engine running and the bike not moving. Better to find it while you're still rolling.
And for the OP, you might want to check your trans fluid level. Too much fluid and your clutch will drag making it harder to find neutral.
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#15
If the light turns yellow and you lift and slow them down and they are stopped behind you, it probably makes little matter. If you know the light light to be long, it's a lot easier on the wrist and the throw out bearing will last a lot longer. Use common sense about it. You should be able to slide in neutral with no problem. It does take a bit of practice.
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voornas (06-12-2019)
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My experience so far... When I got the bike, finding neutral was a crap shoot - often resulting in failure. Frustrating. I adjusted the clutch myself... twice. First time it may have resulted in a little improvement - my "neutral" success rate improved a noticeable amount. Second time - meh. So I dropped by the dealer and they took a crack at it. Probably slightly better. I can find neutral now on a pretty regular basis. Occasionally on the first try. Other times it will take a couple of attempts the achieve success. On a now rare occasion it will be somewhat of a battle. No matter what though... it's not what I would call easy.
Had the Nightster out last weekend. It had be a little while since I last rode it. One of the pleasures of getting reacquainted was how buttery smooth/easy shifting and finding neutral was compared to the Heritage.
Had the Nightster out last weekend. It had be a little while since I last rode it. One of the pleasures of getting reacquainted was how buttery smooth/easy shifting and finding neutral was compared to the Heritage.
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voornas (06-12-2019)
#17
It`s more important to know what is going on behind you ahead of time when you stop.
Being in gear isn`t going to save your ***, it`s situational awareness that saves you.
OP: pop it into neutral just before the bike stops rolling, and don`t worry about the intro, most of us ignore that section of the forum anyway.
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#19
As has been already said, maybe you just need more seat time/practice and it will become automatic to ya. Also, why do you put your bike in neutral at a stop light? What if you had to get out of somebody's way really fast and being in neutral wouldn't be very good.
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Maybe, just maybe... he knows what he is doing...
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