2021 Softail Jekyll & Hyde Exhaust (Euro5) Sound?
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I had J&H pipes on my slim, about 5 years ago so they might have improved since, but...
With the valve closed it was much quieter than stock, proper sewing machine sound.
With the valve open it was extremely loud. Trigger all car alarms in the car park loud.
And the valve adjustment system broke after a few months, so it was stuck open all the time.
On top of that, I think their "fully legal" claim is bull, I guess they say that as they have the E stamp because when the valve is closed the pipes are super quiet, but there is no chance in hell that the open valve modes are any way legal, unless the new pipes are much quieter than the ones I had.
With the valve closed it was much quieter than stock, proper sewing machine sound.
With the valve open it was extremely loud. Trigger all car alarms in the car park loud.
And the valve adjustment system broke after a few months, so it was stuck open all the time.
On top of that, I think their "fully legal" claim is bull, I guess they say that as they have the E stamp because when the valve is closed the pipes are super quiet, but there is no chance in hell that the open valve modes are any way legal, unless the new pipes are much quieter than the ones I had.
I think I'll email them a link to this thread and see if one of their reps would like to fill in the blanks here, if thats allowed under site rules?
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Euro5 is a bitch, been looking for exhaust options on my Belgian 2021 FXLRS. Slipons are impossible, exhausts same unless dealer is willing to manipulate the ECU and bypass the o2 sensors. J&H is possible, but costs over 3.000 euro 
Had I known this, I would've searched for a 2nd hand 2020 model. Too much hassle to get it to sound right. Today Ghent (major city) announced they will seize any bikes that are loud, so those adjustable systems seem like the only viable option but I cannot justify that money.
Had I known this, I would've searched for a 2nd hand 2020 model. Too much hassle to get it to sound right. Today Ghent (major city) announced they will seize any bikes that are loud, so those adjustable systems seem like the only viable option but I cannot justify that money.
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Euro5 is a bitch, been looking for exhaust options on my Belgian 2021 FXLRS. Slipons are impossible, exhausts same unless dealer is willing to manipulate the ECU and bypass the o2 sensors. J&H is possible, but costs over 3.000 euro Had I known this, I would've searched for a 2nd hand 2020 model. Too much hassle to get it to sound right. Today Ghent (major city) announced they will seize any bikes that are loud, so those adjustable systems seem like the only viable option but I cannot justify that money.
Had I known this, I would've searched for a 2nd hand 2020 model. Too much hassle to get it to sound right. Today Ghent (major city) announced they will seize any bikes that are loud, so those adjustable systems seem like the only viable option but I cannot justify that money.For what its worth, I looked at 2020 models. There was one single 2020 Fat Boy available, 4,000km on it, priced at RRP and they low balled me on my trade in. The dealers with nearly new 2020 bikes know what they have, so if I'd done that, I'd have ended up paying +/- EUR1.5k to what I've paid anyway even with the J&H pipe. When you consider the extra years warranty from new and the lack of a 2nd owner on the paperwork, going new made even more sense.
Other manufacturers will come out with something soon enough, so waiting is an option too. Surely V&H wont want to abandon the EU market because of Euro5?
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One positive note, got an email from V&H saying they'll have a slipon solution for euro5 by december. If that will sound nice and be affordable is another thing. I'm very much considering to have the dealer that knows how to do it bypass the o2 sensors and install the eliminator300's anyway. Will void my warranty I guess but seems only option for now.
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One positive note, got an email from V&H saying they'll have a slipon solution for euro5 by december. If that will sound nice and be affordable is another thing. I'm very much considering to have the dealer that knows how to do it bypass the o2 sensors and install the eliminator300's anyway. Will void my warranty I guess but seems only option for now.
Mind me asking how much dealer is charging for the 300's and bypass?
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Did you now that there is a 2 ( self install ) to 3 ( dealer install ) year warranty on the J&H exhaust, if it happens after a few months you could easily claim the warranty, I had the chrome shipping of the end tips early
this year. The system was not dealer installed and my 2 year warranty was just over with 2 months or so, I emailed them with pictures and got a brand new set of end tips, no questions asked and no return of the tips
with the chrome pealing of.
this year. The system was not dealer installed and my 2 year warranty was just over with 2 months or so, I emailed them with pictures and got a brand new set of end tips, no questions asked and no return of the tips
with the chrome pealing of.
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They do seem to explicitly claim it is legal in all modes. To quote their site: "Riders dont have to worry about breaking the law in any situation; the system is always legal no matter what sound mode is selected."
I think I'll email them a link to this thread and see if one of their reps would like to fill in the blanks here, if thats allowed under site rules?
I think I'll email them a link to this thread and see if one of their reps would like to fill in the blanks here, if thats allowed under site rules?
It'll be really nice if true, but I doubt any fuzz stopping you for noise be content if there's an E stamp on the pipes, if they indeed deemed the bike to be too noisy.
Their prices are out of the world too, I had mine installed for Ł1500 total, as far as I remember. Now that they cost over double that (and without install cost), they really better be 100% legal as they claim.
After that experience, for my current bike I just got a set of V&H Slash Cuts and a backup set of road legal Street Cannons, so I can switch them if I know I'll go somewhere where the noise might be an issue (like holidays in Europe). And all that did cost me less than 1/3 of a set of J&H pipes.
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Yes I did see that, and they claimed that back in the day too iirc.
It'll be really nice if true, but I doubt any fuzz stopping you for noise be content if there's an E stamp on the pipes, if they indeed deemed the bike to be too noisy.
Their prices are out of the world too, I had mine installed for Ł1500 total, as far as I remember. Now that they cost over double that (and without install cost), they really better be 100% legal as they claim.
After that experience, for my current bike I just got a set of V&H Slash Cuts and a backup set of road legal Street Cannons, so I can switch them if I know I'll go somewhere where the noise might be an issue (like holidays in Europe). And all that did cost me less than 1/3 of a set of J&H pipes.
It'll be really nice if true, but I doubt any fuzz stopping you for noise be content if there's an E stamp on the pipes, if they indeed deemed the bike to be too noisy.
Their prices are out of the world too, I had mine installed for Ł1500 total, as far as I remember. Now that they cost over double that (and without install cost), they really better be 100% legal as they claim.
After that experience, for my current bike I just got a set of V&H Slash Cuts and a backup set of road legal Street Cannons, so I can switch them if I know I'll go somewhere where the noise might be an issue (like holidays in Europe). And all that did cost me less than 1/3 of a set of J&H pipes.
Mind me asking which dealer supplied and subsequently moaned about your J&H? Maybe not dealer name, but county?