BT 7.1 road test
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Originally Posted by SBates08
Personally I wasn't impressed by that video. Jus sayin. You can pick up sound from a parked bike with decent audio from a pretty good distance. Like you've already said Haze, unless your a parking lot pimp, it doesn't make a damn what it sounds like when parked.
In all seriousness I do think that in order to get myself a system that works for me I kind of had to really understand the correlation between the parking lot pimp sound and the other end of this chalk line, 80mph.
I started off with a system that was self professed to be the loudest damn system going at like 120db. Well it was loud, but it was exhausting as it was nothing but bright highs from the parking lot to 80.
Then I chased the unicorn of warmth and got some good warmth in the parking lot up till about 40 then was not getting what I expected at 80.
My tunnel vision kind of subsided, and I I think I am finally in a place that covers both ends of the spectrum with linear reductions / improvements between the 2 points.
Mids and highs became the core focus for the front stage and heavy base where it needed to be but I was willing to go all in to get there. If u stay with a 2 speaker that is excellent, just be careful about expecting a 6.5 or 7.1" speaker that will deliver both ends of the spectrum. One set of speakers will NEVER get u both ends. 2 sets will get u close. 3 sets will get u luke warm, etc.... Thus managing these expectations becomes the core ingredient.
Attempting to get back to what Haze just stated, the Millie's have a smaller non-directional tweeter than its predecessors so if u have a 2 speaker set up and want to cruise around town and sit in parking lots this might be a good choice. If u run the highway mainly with 2 speaks and rarely slow down you need a strong mid to high speaker set up. Add more speakers, the dynamics change.
Breaking the code on a "perfect" sled sound system just ain't gonna happen and before your unicorn hunting season begins it's really important for each individual to take the time to first identify a shipload of factors that come into play and how far they are willing to go to get there.
Not sure if this helped confuse the situation but I am at least trying!!! Define what type of rider u are, what type of sled u r on (model & year), how far your are willing to go in terms of quantity speakers/amps and also HU, location of speaks, genre listening, budget, etc......... then the gurus on this Forum can assist, but realistically manage your expectations.
IMHO for the OP, the Millies are a very good speaker up till about 50 MPH, as now Haze has technically confirmed the reason why this speaker was not for me. Take ur time and do the research.
The 7.1s might just be your best option. The ARC Moto 602 have also been known to deliver high quality sound with a wider range of the spectrum, but again there will be give and take.
T.
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Hey, the world needs parking lot pimps too!!!!!
In all seriousness I do think that in order to get myself a system that works for me I kind of had to really understand the correlation between the parking lot pimp sound and the other end of this chalk line, 80mph.
I started off with a system that was self professed to be the loudest damn system going at like 120db. Well it was loud, but it was exhausting as it was nothing but bright highs from the parking lot to 80.
Then I chased the unicorn of warmth and got some good warmth in the parking lot up till about 40 then was not getting what I expected at 80.
My tunnel vision kind of subsided, and I I think I am finally in a place that covers both ends of the spectrum with linear reductions / improvements between the 2 points.
Mids and highs became the core focus for the front stage and heavy base where it needed to be but I was willing to go all in to get there. If u stay with a 2 speaker that is excellent, just be careful about expecting a 6.5 or 7.1" speaker that will deliver both ends of the spectrum. One set of speakers will NEVER get u both ends. 2 sets will get u close. 3 sets will get u luke warm, etc.... Thus managing these expectations becomes the core ingredient.
Attempting to get back to what Haze just stated, the Millie's have a smaller non-directional tweeter than its predecessors so if u have a 2 speaker set up and want to cruise around town and sit in parking lots this might be a good choice. If u run the highway mainly with 2 speaks and rarely slow down you need a strong mid to high speaker set up. Add more speakers, the dynamics change.
Breaking the code on a "perfect" sled sound system just ain't gonna happen and before your unicorn hunting season begins it's really important for each individual to take the time to first identify a shipload of factors that come into play and how far they are willing to go to get there.
Not sure if this helped confuse the situation but I am at least trying!!! Define what type of rider u are, what type of sled u r on (model & year), how far your are willing to go in terms of quantity speakers/amps and also HU, location of speaks, genre listening, budget, etc......... then the gurus on this Forum can assist, but realistically manage your expectations.
IMHO for the OP, the Millies are a very good speaker up till about 50 MPH, as now Haze has technically confirmed the reason why this speaker was not for me. Take ur time and do the research.
The 7.1s might just be your best option. The ARC Moto 602 have also been known to deliver high quality sound with a wider range of the spectrum, but again there will be give and take.
T.
In all seriousness I do think that in order to get myself a system that works for me I kind of had to really understand the correlation between the parking lot pimp sound and the other end of this chalk line, 80mph.
I started off with a system that was self professed to be the loudest damn system going at like 120db. Well it was loud, but it was exhausting as it was nothing but bright highs from the parking lot to 80.
Then I chased the unicorn of warmth and got some good warmth in the parking lot up till about 40 then was not getting what I expected at 80.
My tunnel vision kind of subsided, and I I think I am finally in a place that covers both ends of the spectrum with linear reductions / improvements between the 2 points.
Mids and highs became the core focus for the front stage and heavy base where it needed to be but I was willing to go all in to get there. If u stay with a 2 speaker that is excellent, just be careful about expecting a 6.5 or 7.1" speaker that will deliver both ends of the spectrum. One set of speakers will NEVER get u both ends. 2 sets will get u close. 3 sets will get u luke warm, etc.... Thus managing these expectations becomes the core ingredient.
Attempting to get back to what Haze just stated, the Millie's have a smaller non-directional tweeter than its predecessors so if u have a 2 speaker set up and want to cruise around town and sit in parking lots this might be a good choice. If u run the highway mainly with 2 speaks and rarely slow down you need a strong mid to high speaker set up. Add more speakers, the dynamics change.
Breaking the code on a "perfect" sled sound system just ain't gonna happen and before your unicorn hunting season begins it's really important for each individual to take the time to first identify a shipload of factors that come into play and how far they are willing to go to get there.
Not sure if this helped confuse the situation but I am at least trying!!! Define what type of rider u are, what type of sled u r on (model & year), how far your are willing to go in terms of quantity speakers/amps and also HU, location of speaks, genre listening, budget, etc......... then the gurus on this Forum can assist, but realistically manage your expectations.
IMHO for the OP, the Millies are a very good speaker up till about 50 MPH, as now Haze has technically confirmed the reason why this speaker was not for me. Take ur time and do the research.
The 7.1s might just be your best option. The ARC Moto 602 have also been known to deliver high quality sound with a wider range of the spectrum, but again there will be give and take.
T.
Please take no offense I appreciate why you are asking this, but my honest opinion --- but I think folks selling audio to the biker community can easily take advantage that the average biker has no clue about audio, especially in comparison to the car audio community. So when something new comes out it's an easy sell and no one bothers to look at real specs. I can't tell you the amount of PM's I've received that folks bought the exact same set up that was posted on the Facebook video only to find that the video was misleading and their bike sounded nothing like that. Gannicus got them, he pulled them out. Tailwind got them, they're gone. Bunker just made a video of Tailwinds Mille's, vs. Focal PC series, and Titan II - his least favorite were the Milles.
The real question is WHY, and honestly it's an easy one to answer - the new design is better in a car than in a motorcycle as it was intended. Did anyone who's falling over these as you mentioned notice the new design has a smaller tweeter that provides less highs? Hertz posts their frequency charts online you can see where the dips and peaks are and based on the charts of the Mille and HCX, just alone on their own specs I would pick the HCX. Also with the smaller recessed tweeter it's non-directional where the HCX you could rotate. Yes the new design provides better mid bass which makes sense why folks hear the speakers on a parked bike and think they sound fantastic. They are quality Hertz speakers, but that doesn't mean they are optimal on a bike. I had the HCX and though they were pretty good speakers --- my guess is that they both sound comparable, and there probably isn't much of a difference to warrant dumping the HCX to get the newest shiny speaker out. Folks just love Facebook videos.
The real question is WHY, and honestly it's an easy one to answer - the new design is better in a car than in a motorcycle as it was intended. Did anyone who's falling over these as you mentioned notice the new design has a smaller tweeter that provides less highs? Hertz posts their frequency charts online you can see where the dips and peaks are and based on the charts of the Mille and HCX, just alone on their own specs I would pick the HCX. Also with the smaller recessed tweeter it's non-directional where the HCX you could rotate. Yes the new design provides better mid bass which makes sense why folks hear the speakers on a parked bike and think they sound fantastic. They are quality Hertz speakers, but that doesn't mean they are optimal on a bike. I had the HCX and though they were pretty good speakers --- my guess is that they both sound comparable, and there probably isn't much of a difference to warrant dumping the HCX to get the newest shiny speaker out. Folks just love Facebook videos.
We're all chasing it man! Plus we have all different ears, so what works for some doesn't work for others. The more information we all gather the better. Using myself as an example, I'm all pro-audio and don't think anything else can compare...to MY ears. Other people don't care for it, all personal preference. We all have our own opinions, but the diversity helps us all learn as a collective.
I appreciate you answering the question! Now if I have someone here or on FB that HAS to have the Milles, I can suggest the HCX as an option as well.
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Joined: Mar 2010
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From: USA
Hey, the world needs parking lot pimps too!!!!!
In all seriousness I do think that in order to get myself a system that works for me I kind of had to really understand the correlation between the parking lot pimp sound and the other end of this chalk line, 80mph.
I started off with a system that was self professed to be the loudest damn system going at like 120db. Well it was loud, but it was exhausting as it was nothing but bright highs from the parking lot to 80.
Then I chased the unicorn of warmth and got some good warmth in the parking lot up till about 40 then was not getting what I expected at 80.
My tunnel vision kind of subsided, and I I think I am finally in a place that covers both ends of the spectrum with linear reductions / improvements between the 2 points.
Mids and highs became the core focus for the front stage and heavy base where it needed to be but I was willing to go all in to get there. If u stay with a 2 speaker that is excellent, just be careful about expecting a 6.5 or 7.1" speaker that will deliver both ends of the spectrum. One set of speakers will NEVER get u both ends. 2 sets will get u close. 3 sets will get u luke warm, etc.... Thus managing these expectations becomes the core ingredient.
Attempting to get back to what Haze just stated, the Millie's have a smaller non-directional tweeter than its predecessors so if u have a 2 speaker set up and want to cruise around town and sit in parking lots this might be a good choice. If u run the highway mainly with 2 speaks and rarely slow down you need a strong mid to high speaker set up. Add more speakers, the dynamics change.
Breaking the code on a "perfect" sled sound system just ain't gonna happen and before your unicorn hunting season begins it's really important for each individual to take the time to first identify a shipload of factors that come into play and how far they are willing to go to get there.
Not sure if this helped confuse the situation but I am at least trying!!! Define what type of rider u are, what type of sled u r on (model & year), how far your are willing to go in terms of quantity speakers/amps and also HU, location of speaks, genre listening, budget, etc......... then the gurus on this Forum can assist, but realistically manage your expectations.
IMHO for the OP, the Millies are a very good speaker up till about 50 MPH, as now Haze has technically confirmed the reason why this speaker was not for me. Take ur time and do the research.
The 7.1s might just be your best option. The ARC Moto 602 have also been known to deliver high quality sound with a wider range of the spectrum, but again there will be give and take.
T.
In all seriousness I do think that in order to get myself a system that works for me I kind of had to really understand the correlation between the parking lot pimp sound and the other end of this chalk line, 80mph.
I started off with a system that was self professed to be the loudest damn system going at like 120db. Well it was loud, but it was exhausting as it was nothing but bright highs from the parking lot to 80.
Then I chased the unicorn of warmth and got some good warmth in the parking lot up till about 40 then was not getting what I expected at 80.
My tunnel vision kind of subsided, and I I think I am finally in a place that covers both ends of the spectrum with linear reductions / improvements between the 2 points.
Mids and highs became the core focus for the front stage and heavy base where it needed to be but I was willing to go all in to get there. If u stay with a 2 speaker that is excellent, just be careful about expecting a 6.5 or 7.1" speaker that will deliver both ends of the spectrum. One set of speakers will NEVER get u both ends. 2 sets will get u close. 3 sets will get u luke warm, etc.... Thus managing these expectations becomes the core ingredient.
Attempting to get back to what Haze just stated, the Millie's have a smaller non-directional tweeter than its predecessors so if u have a 2 speaker set up and want to cruise around town and sit in parking lots this might be a good choice. If u run the highway mainly with 2 speaks and rarely slow down you need a strong mid to high speaker set up. Add more speakers, the dynamics change.
Breaking the code on a "perfect" sled sound system just ain't gonna happen and before your unicorn hunting season begins it's really important for each individual to take the time to first identify a shipload of factors that come into play and how far they are willing to go to get there.
Not sure if this helped confuse the situation but I am at least trying!!! Define what type of rider u are, what type of sled u r on (model & year), how far your are willing to go in terms of quantity speakers/amps and also HU, location of speaks, genre listening, budget, etc......... then the gurus on this Forum can assist, but realistically manage your expectations.
IMHO for the OP, the Millies are a very good speaker up till about 50 MPH, as now Haze has technically confirmed the reason why this speaker was not for me. Take ur time and do the research.
The 7.1s might just be your best option. The ARC Moto 602 have also been known to deliver high quality sound with a wider range of the spectrum, but again there will be give and take.
T.
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Joined: Mar 2012
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From: Spring Bay IL
Yeah,, thats right where this belongs!
I'm guilty of asking the same thing over also..yes I even had to read for days..life can be ruff!
I'm trying (4) 602s and the BT4180 after all my research..will see or should I say I'll hear.
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