More power vs. more speakers vs. higher efficiency
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Clash efficiency is a great choice! I like running high efficient drivers myself but there's a catch ---- limited frequency output.
I've read a few posts lately of guys trying to hunt down a super efficient speaker that can play pretty low frequencies. Thing is that monster doesn't exist. It's not because no one has built it, it's because there is no current technology that can do it. For guys hunting efficiency google Hoffman's Iron Law. This link is a good read below.
https://trueaudio.com/st_trade.htm
I've read a few posts lately of guys trying to hunt down a super efficient speaker that can play pretty low frequencies. Thing is that monster doesn't exist. It's not because no one has built it, it's because there is no current technology that can do it. For guys hunting efficiency google Hoffman's Iron Law. This link is a good read below.
https://trueaudio.com/st_trade.htm
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Originally Posted by matt76cmich
Good read
Now we just have to define the sandbox of those parameters that are desired for a sled in motion.
I think its a reasonable sandbox expectation with efficiencies in the 94+ range to get quality 90- 20000 Hz sound.
Just throwing shix at the wall here but I think there is enough give and take in the engineering to obtain the freqs and efficiency mediums that matter on a sled in motion. It's just a matter of finding it as it does exist.
Sub-bass on a sled is for static display purposes imho.
Sub-bass = 20-60 Hz
Bass = 60-250 Hz
T.
Last edited by Tailwind; Jun 19, 2017 at 10:18 PM.
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So many also overlook efficient as just a speaker rating. System setup to achieve maximum efficiency is far more than just speakers and power ratings. It is having each speaker do its own job in select frequencies, and the correct power, you will have the most efficient system. Solely they will not sound ideal, but that isn't the goal. The goal is the mid be a mid, the high be a high. Set each to provide a certain bandwidth of playback. That takes things like dsp or active xovers, and the available amplifier channels to so. End results far surpass any full range from every angle.
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If my volt meter lives on 14v. I'm efficient. I have an Ultra. No way I'm rollin with 6 speakers on an ULTRA. 6 speakers on an Ultra is 0 saddlebag speakers. Ain't gonna happen! As Slye said. It's the combination of speakers and amps that make the difference. You need a combo of speakers that will cover 50 hz to 20 kHz
That's it. We can only HEAR 20 hz to 20 kHz and that's if you're 20 years old. LOL IMO it's easier to cover that range with 10 speakers than it is 6.
Not saying it can't be done. Haze has done it a 100 times on SG's and RG's. But I'm definitely NOT THAT GUY! Give me 10 speakers all day long!
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So many also overlook efficient as just a speaker rating. System setup to achieve maximum efficiency is far more than just speakers and power ratings. It is having each speaker do its own job in select frequencies, and the correct power, you will have the most efficient system. Solely they will not sound ideal, but that isn't the goal. The goal is the mid be a mid, the high be a high. Set each to provide a certain bandwidth of playback. That takes things like dsp or active xovers, and the available amplifier channels to so. End results far surpass any full range from every angle.
Ok not fair, you know the answers to the test already!!! I think this is the most effective way to get the most out of your system.
Efficiency can mean a lot of things and it's not just a number with db's next to it on a spec sheet. For example, how was that spec determined? If two manufactures did them differently you can have a "92db" speaker as loud as a "100db" speaker because the difference could very well be plus or minus 4. So don't concentrate on just a number and think one speaker will be better than the other.
I get better overall sound on our builds from running speakers in locations that provide the sound needed and compliment the bike as a whole. For example a speaker inside a bag is meant to produce "bass" so why would I want a full range speaker inside the bags. That's not efficient, you are wasting power on highs that you don't need inside your bags. No one that I know rides their bikes and shuts every speaker off except for the ones inside the bags....so why would I want them to be stand alone full range? I would want the speaker that is designed to do what's needed in that location to compliment the build.
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^^^^^^
Yeah That!
If my volt meter lives on 14v. I'm efficient. I have an Ultra. No way I'm rollin with 6 speakers on an ULTRA. 6 speakers on an Ultra is 0 saddlebag speakers. Ain't gonna happen! As Slye said. It's the combination of speakers and amps that make the difference. You need a combo of speakers that will cover 50 hz to 20 kHz
That's it. We can only HEAR 20 hz to 20 kHz and that's if you're 20 years old. LOL IMO it's easier to cover that range with 10 speakers than it is 6.
Not saying it can't be done. Haze has done it a 100 times on SG's and RG's. But I'm definitely NOT THAT GUY! Give me 10 speakers all day long!
Yeah That!
If my volt meter lives on 14v. I'm efficient. I have an Ultra. No way I'm rollin with 6 speakers on an ULTRA. 6 speakers on an Ultra is 0 saddlebag speakers. Ain't gonna happen! As Slye said. It's the combination of speakers and amps that make the difference. You need a combo of speakers that will cover 50 hz to 20 kHz
That's it. We can only HEAR 20 hz to 20 kHz and that's if you're 20 years old. LOL IMO it's easier to cover that range with 10 speakers than it is 6.
Not saying it can't be done. Haze has done it a 100 times on SG's and RG's. But I'm definitely NOT THAT GUY! Give me 10 speakers all day long!
G!! See that's they type of stuff that's not often discussed here. So you need 10 speakers in your bike...but do you think your fairing would sound better if you didn't have lowers and instead gave your fairing speakers twice the power?
The otherside to this and more focused on the average rider. If I have two amps on my bike and 8 speakers. If I want to run another set of speakers do I really get more sound from my investment. Is the upgrade in sound worth the few hundred bucks it costs for another set of speakers? My guess is that it depends on what speakers, but could that same sound have been achieved with the right 8.
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G!! See that's they type of stuff that's not often discussed here. So you need 10 speakers in your bike...but do you think your fairing would sound better if you didn't have lowers and instead gave your fairing speakers twice the power?
The otherside to this and more focused on the average rider. If I have two amps on my bike and 8 speakers. If I want to run another set of speakers do I really get more sound from my investment. Is the upgrade in sound worth the few hundred bucks it costs for another set of speakers? My guess is that it depends on what speakers, but could that same sound have been achieved with the right 8.
The otherside to this and more focused on the average rider. If I have two amps on my bike and 8 speakers. If I want to run another set of speakers do I really get more sound from my investment. Is the upgrade in sound worth the few hundred bucks it costs for another set of speakers? My guess is that it depends on what speakers, but could that same sound have been achieved with the right 8.
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Is it completely wrong to want 8 full range speakers vs building full range peace by peace .Also what considerations should be made when rider sound stage is important .six JL 8.8 2 aw with horns. This is a example not my build plan but close.
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At some point the distinction between riding and static display has to be addressed. The inside the bag Speaks don't do shix when touring so why would that even be a core focus for a build. Sound very cool parked though!!!
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Combo of efficiency and power.
More power will push lower rated EF Speaks
High EF speaks will require less power, maybe allowing parallel combinations, thus the 10 speakers Gan likes.
But agree with caveman T. More full range if possible in all the holes
More power will push lower rated EF Speaks
High EF speaks will require less power, maybe allowing parallel combinations, thus the 10 speakers Gan likes.
But agree with caveman T. More full range if possible in all the holes
