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Old Dec 11, 2017 | 10:57 PM
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So... I've been on this forum for almost two years now. I have all the hardware I need to produce good sound on my '15 Limited based on what I've learned here during that time, however my lack of audio tuning knowledge has lead me to a wall. I'm no audio Engineer by any stretch of the imagination. I've had the RF 3SIXTY.3 DSP (pictured below) mounted in my tour pak for a while now and I know pretty much everything there is to know about the computer interface and how to use it. What I don't know enough about is how to correctly tune the EQ's for the best sound quality. Basically, I'll adjust a frequency here and a frequency there and do a test ride. However I seem to be chasing my tail, or maybe I'm just looking for something I can't obtain (the proverbial audio Unicorn). It's all trial and error for me because I'm not an audio "tuner". You can learn what hardware is best from lurking on this forum but it's not as easy to learn how to properly tune your $2000 audio system, in which case may sound like a $200 system. I wish I live near one of the audio guru's on this forum but I don't. I'll bet if I were able to cut lose someone who knew what they were doing, they'd be able to squeeze out all of the potential that my setup has in 30 minutes simply by tweaking an EQ slider here and and EQ slider there. Some things can't be taught on a forum and sometimes the best lessons are learned face to face.

Hey Haze! Do you do road trips to the west coast?

 

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Wondering if you listed your current setup and posted a video, if you could get some tips? Maybe? I know that I witnessed Matt from MI work his magic with the laptop on another guys bike and turned it from ok sounding to out frickin standing. Took like 20 minutes or so of playing around tuning, then another 20 minutes or so of Steve (DSMlimited) cranking it up, grinning like a kid, and having a look of awe on his face. Was pretty cool to see and hear. Well until they tried to start the bike that is....
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Old Dec 12, 2017 | 10:12 AM
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Ur on the right track HogPilot. Tuning is a massive factor in maximizing your systems potential.
I will guarantee u that there are plenty of local West Coast boys that can tune the hell out of your system so continue your focus on that unicorn.
Thankfully I found a brother that apparently has a PHD in this tuning shix and it is beyond eye watering to see a system play EXACTLY how it is intended to be played. 10 minutes and done.

Good luck. Find that local unicorn!!!!!

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Old Dec 12, 2017 | 10:21 AM
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Wondering if you listed your current setup and posted a video, if you could get some tips? Maybe? I know that I witnessed Matt from MI work his magic with the laptop on another guys bike and turned it from ok sounding to out frickin standing. Took like 20 minutes or so of playing around tuning, then another 20 minutes or so of Steve (DSMlimited) cranking it up, grinning like a kid, and having a look of awe on his face. Was pretty cool to see and hear. Well until they tried to start the bike that is....
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Exactly what I need. Wish motorcycle audio tuners weren't so far and few between! There are plenty of car audio tuners around but I won't trust one with my MOTORCYCLE audio. Two different animals.
 
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Old Dec 12, 2017 | 10:25 AM
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Exactly what I need. Wish motorcycle audio tuners weren't so far and few between! There are plenty of car audio tuners around but I won't trust one with my MOTORCYCLE audio. Two different animals.
While car audio and sled audio applications are different, tuning is tuning regardless of the beast your trying to tame.

A car audio tuner with DSP knowledge can get you closer to your Unicorn than someone with no knowledge at all.
 

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Old Dec 12, 2017 | 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Tailwind
Ur on the right track HogPilot. Tuning is a massive factor in maximizing your systems potential.
I will guarantee u that there are plenty of local West Coast boys that can tune the hell out of your system so continue your focus on that unicorn.
Thankfully I found a brother that apparently has a PHD in this tuning shix and it is beyond eye watering to see a system play EXACTLY how it is intended to be played. 10 minutes and done.

Good luck. Find that local unicorn!!!!!

T
Maybe a guy on the west coast will see my post here and chime in. Apparently you need a college degree to adjust a Parametric Equalizer correctly! Anyone can achieve a flat freq response out of these head units with the right equipment. But that's only part of the equation. Tuning is the other part and way more difficult to do correctly.
 
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Originally Posted by HogPilot54
Maybe a guy on the west coast will see my post here and chime in. Apparently you need a college degree to adjust a Parametric Equalizer correctly! Anyone can achieve a flat freq response out of these head units with the right equipment. But that's only part of the equation. Tuning is the other part and way more difficult to do correctly.
Go see Steve Meade. I know he has a lot of experience with the Rockford 3sixty. His sound quality car is using one.


 
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I'm hearing everything that is said here. But it's all about the basics. You don't need a DSP to have a great sounding system. Especially if you don't have the skill and ability to use it. Have to take baby steps with sled audio. Learn how to set gains and crossovers. More importantly optimizing your head unit to the amp. You would be surprised at the results.
After you MASTER the basics then you can start playing around with the DSP. It takes many hours of practice just to master the basics. It's like the average joe trying to win a race at Daytona. The car is ready. But your skill set won't be there. Keep it simple!!
 
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Originally Posted by Gannicus
I'm hearing everything that is said here. But it's all about the basics. You don't need a DSP to have a great sounding system. Especially if you don't have the skill and ability to use it. Have to take baby steps with sled audio. Learn how to set gains and crossovers. More importantly optimizing your head unit to the amp. You would be surprised at the results.
After you MASTER the basics then you can start playing around with the DSP. It takes many hours of practice just to master the basics. It's like the average joe trying to win a race at Daytona. The car is ready. But your skill set won't be there. Keep it simple!!
I hear what your saying Gann and I think I've mastered setting the gains and crossovers pretty well. That doesn't seem to be as much "rocket science" to me as properly setting the EQ's. The 360.3 EQ interface is pretty complex and admittedly more complicated than I need for this application, but I love the other features this DSP provides. Don't get me wrong. My system sounds pretty good, but I wish I could skip the "many hours of practice" and just have someone standing next to me in front of my laptop to show me the ropes. I'd even pay for the lesson!
 
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Old Dec 12, 2017 | 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by matt76cmich
Go see Steve Meade. I know he has a lot of experience with the Rockford 3sixty. His sound quality car is using one.


https://youtu.be/djCjdSBdfQk
10 hours of tuning! Holy crap.

I can't imagine what that guy spent for all the stuff in his trunk! Not to mention what he's paying those guys for the tune. Jezz..
 
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