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Old Aug 3, 2018 | 10:08 AM
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When using the Biketronics BT355 and setting the AMP, should I use HP (high pass) setting on the AMP or Full (All) setting on the AMP?
 
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Old Aug 3, 2018 | 11:29 AM
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Normally set it HP BUT, it does depend on what speaker and where you are running it and for what reason.
 
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With that said what speaker and what amp are you using? And, what location?
 
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Old Aug 3, 2018 | 12:55 PM
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Hey FM, thanks for the response. On the 2015 RGS I previously had I was running a Cerwin Vega B2 with Kappa 62.11i speakers (2 in the fairing). I recently traded that bike in on a 2018 RGS and I've installed similar gear just updated versions. Specifically Cerwin Vega B52 and Kappa 62.ix (2 in the fairing) on the new bike. I didn't remember whether I had the previous install set at AP or HP. When I did this latest installation I set the AMP to HP on the flip of a coin. Used BT355 LOC for both installs though.

I just finished an 1800 mile ride out to the Rockies and this current setup sounded really bright (almost shrill to me on some genres). It lacked some low end punch and not much warmth in the mid range compared to my last setup (at least as I can remember...............)

I've played with the bass and treble controls on the head unit and I've got it decent now, but started to thinking that I might have messed up when I set the AMP to HP. Gains were set on both systems using my hand held Oscilloscope following all the normal procedures. The only differences in the systems;

1. On the 2015 install I sealed the pods
2. On the 2015 install I used polyfill
3. B2 versus B52
4. Kappa 62.11i versus Kappa 62.ix

I've got the HP frequency filter on the B52 set at approximately 80Hz.
 
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Old Aug 3, 2018 | 03:38 PM
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Those kappa's are bright, there is a button on them to turn the tweeter down 3db.
You can leave the amp on HP and adjust the X-over down a little bit and see if it will give a little more low end. I would not expect much from them though.
 
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Old Aug 3, 2018 | 04:05 PM
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I am getting ready to install the same speakers (62ix) in my 16 SGS because I want something a little louder and clearer, and I think the 62ix will provide that. I believe you will use HP on the amp for the crossover setting (which you have already done). The 62ix has a frequency response of 45Hz-25kHz, so you could try turning the crossover down some as fmfpj mentioned above. However the button on the tweeter is 0db (depressed) to +3db (pressed), so pressing the button will actually add +3db which will make the sound even harsher, so I would make sure it's depressed for the 0db setting.

I plan to add some poly fil during my installation so I will post back once done and let you know if the addition of poly fil helped any. That said I do have access to a Fluke handheld oscope and was wondering if you wouldn't mind detailing the steps you took to tune the amp with the oscope? I tried it brielfy but couldn't seem to make it work. You can PM me if you'd prefer.
 

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So I reached out to Diamond Audio and posed my question to one of their tech support guys. He told me to run the AMP on High Pass with the frequency set at approximately the 8 o'clock position. That's exactly what I did and where I set the crossover when I did the installation. However, I found an old email that I exchanged with Bill @ BT back in May of 2015 and he said that the AMPs should be set on Full when using the BT355. He said in his email to pass the entire frequency range onto the BT355 and let their LOC do the rest. So both of the manufacturers are giving different answers to the same question.
 
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Old Aug 4, 2018 | 07:10 AM
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I plan to add some poly fil during my installation so I will post back once done and let you know if the addition of poly fil helped any. That said I do have access to a Fluke handheld oscope and was wondering if you wouldn't mind detailing the steps you took to tune the amp with the oscope? I tried it brielfy but couldn't seem to make it work. You can PM me if you'd prefer.
Hey Skrimps, the gain setting procedure is pretty much exactly the same as if you were setting the gains by ear or by DMM (using the voltage method). The only real thing that changes is the measurement technique. Instead of trying to explain it in writing or with attached pictures, I'm just going to point you to a good youtube video that demonstrates the whole thing (just on a car instead of a motorcycle).

 
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Old Aug 4, 2018 | 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by wevsspot
found an old email that I exchanged with Bill @ BT back in May of 2015 and he said that the AMPs should be set on Full when using the BT355. He said in his email to pass the entire frequency range onto the BT355 and let their LOC do the rest. So both of the manufacturers are giving different answers to the same question.
maybe im slow but that statement doesn't make much sense to me. The bt355 is upstream ( feeding ) the amp so how does the filter in the amp effect the LL?
 
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Old Aug 4, 2018 | 09:19 AM
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I believe the BT amps have a 40hz filter built in and rely on the BT355 to take care of everything else. That’s fine if you’re using a BT amp I guess but not necessarily so if you aren’t.
 
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