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Old Dec 12, 2018 | 12:09 AM
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Realize everyone is different in this never ending search for the perfect setup...but need help.

Current set up - Arc Audio 600.4 with 2 Arc Moto 602's in fairing only.

Ready to expand to a total of six speakers and a set of horns on a 2014 Street Glide Special. So adding lower fairing speakers, 6x9's in the lids then horns mounted where stock mirrors used to be while running everything through the 600.4 amp IF doable. Otherwise another amp is not out of the question.

Stock head unit. Adding DSR1.

Music Listening Style - Classic Rock.

Budget - Up to $2500 labor included. ($80 hr)

Want clear sound with crisp highs and as much low end as I can get from the 6x9's in the bags. Mainly touring so volume at speed (just like everyone else lol) is important.

No audiophile. Just basic knowledge of sound. ALL motorcycle sound knowledge has been gained from you guys on this forum and the installer I use. So hoping for advice for what an ideal setup would be with all the current options available in my budget.

Hertz MPX165.3 with ST25's in fairing then moving the 602's to the lowers and adding the Hertz MPX 690.3's in the lids is one option recommended by installer. What do guys think? Is that a good setup? Are there better choices?

 
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Old Dec 12, 2018 | 08:07 AM
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Just my two cents but it looks to me like your attempting to mix two different brands of speakers and horns and tweeters together (uppers and lowers) then trying to have the DSR-1 sort out the conflicts to attain a seamless front sound stage. I think that would be especially bad for classic rock music.

 
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Old Dec 12, 2018 | 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by cash64
Realize everyone is different in this never ending search for the perfect setup...but need help.

Current set up - Arc Audio 600.4 with 2 Arc Moto 602's in fairing only.

Ready to expand to a total of six speakers and a set of horns on a 2014 Street Glide Special. So adding lower fairing speakers, 6x9's in the lids then horns mounted where stock mirrors used to be while running everything through the 600.4 amp IF doable. Otherwise another amp is not out of the question.

Stock head unit. Adding DSR1.

Music Listening Style - Classic Rock.

Budget - Up to $2500 labor included. ($80 hr)

Want clear sound with crisp highs and as much low end as I can get from the 6x9's in the bags. Mainly touring so volume at speed (just like everyone else lol) is important.

No audiophile. Just basic knowledge of sound. ALL motorcycle sound knowledge has been gained from you guys on this forum and the installer I use. So hoping for advice for what an ideal setup would be with all the current options available in my budget.

Hertz MPX165.3 with ST25's in fairing then moving the 602's to the lowers and adding the Hertz MPX 690.3's in the lids is one option recommended by installer. What do guys think? Is that a good setup? Are there better choices?
I personally wouldn't run the mpx and st25's together as that will be overkill on the high end. If you are going to run the st25's then I would pair them to a good midrange like the hertz sv165 or prv's. or if running the mpx then eliminate the st25's all together.
 
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Old Dec 12, 2018 | 10:43 AM
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Since you are going with a DSP you are in prime condition to add another amp for your 6x9 speakers. Since you mentioned lowers you will want a count of how many channels you are going to be running. A lot of guys wind up with eight total with what you are describing. Four in the fairing (speakers and horns), two in the lowers, and two going to the rear.

I don't go for horns myself so I am ignorant on that aspect. Too many highs and mids hurt my ears so the coax speakers in my fairing and rears are all the highs I want. If you can get your tweeters and speakers on just two channels somehow in your fairing that would leave the other two channels of your 600.4 for your lowers. You could run some type of coax speakers there if you really like highs or just a set of midranges if you get enough from your other speakers. PA speakers in lowers can add a little more low end than coax units sometimes can especially if you have a DSP.

Then you could get a dedicated amp for your 6x9s to give them all the power they need. I think you Rushmore guys can fit all you want in your fairing quite often. Maybe check with Tailwind or Haze, if you need help there. They have been able to stuff entire studios under that fairing. I have an older bike so I had to put my rear amp in my clutch side bag. Since it is an RF TM400x4ad with EQ controls on it I don't mind the easy access to it though.

With your DSP then you could blend your fairing and lower speakers easily to how you like them at speed. I can tell you from experience you might need to turn down your fairing speakers a LOT once you get moving to be able to hear the lowers and 6x9s in the mix. It seems like I have to put most of my signal to the rears, then a little less to the lowers, then still a little less to my fairing speakers to keep them all in balance.

If you want to be able to adjust the fairing and/or lower volume independently while on the road you can mount a line level control **** under the switch cover. I have one for each set on mine. A lot of folks think that is overkill but I really like them. Since you are going with the DSR1 though you could adjust your individual levels at quick stops with your phone through bluetooth I would imagine. You could then have the 6x9s on the rear of the fader control so you could adjust that easily with your thumb.

Those are just some basic ideas that I went with on my Ultra Classic. The sky is the limit though especially for some of the newer bikes.
 
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Originally Posted by DLennartz
Just my two cents but it looks to me like your attempting to mix two different brands of speakers and horns and tweeters together (uppers and lowers) then trying to have the DSR-1 sort out the conflicts to attain a seamless front sound stage. I think that would be especially bad for classic rock music.

So you’re suggesting keeping the same brand throughout the setup? Makes sense. Just seems that most are mixing brands to achieve optimum sound.
 
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Old Dec 12, 2018 | 11:16 AM
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Agree with having too much high end. Don’t want that. Hertz boast of the MPX 165’s and ST 25 tweeters pairing well. I assumed that was for the mid coaxial and the high tweeter not the 165’s being on the high end.
 
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Old Dec 12, 2018 | 11:22 AM
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Since you’re primary listen is Classic Rock and Hertz speakers are outstanding speakers for Classic Rock I would recommend a system similar to mine. I have the same listening preferences.

Sell the Arc Moto 602's. Purchase two sets of for the upper and lower fairings...

https://www.amazon.com/Hertz-165-3-Speaker-Component-System/dp/B016YLM6B4/ref=asc_df_B016YLM6B4/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312070784062&hvpos=1o3&hvnetw=g&hvrand=14023712601029243090&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9021494&hvtargid=pla- https://www.amazon.com/Hertz-165-3-Speaker-Component-System/dp/B016YLM6B4/ref=asc_df_B016YLM6B4/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312070784062&hvpos=1o3&hvnetw=g&hvrand=14023712601029243090&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9021494&hvtargid=pla-




You can mount the tweeters where you intended to in the upper fairing and the lower tweeters undet the speaker grills aimed toward your listening position.
Use the Arc Audio 600.4 to power all four front speakers and you’ll have a perfectly matched and very powerful front stage.
Add the Hertz MPX 690.3's to the lids with a two channel amp of your choice.
Set the gain on the lower fairings slightly higher than the upper and the cross over on the lowers to +2db with the upper fairing crossover flat. (That’s what I did). With the front to rear fader that’s about all you’ll need for tuning with this perfectly matched system no dsr-1 would be needed.

 
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Old Dec 12, 2018 | 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by DLennartz
Since you’re primary listen is Classic Rock and Hertz speakers are outstanding speakers for Classic Rock I would recommend a system similar to mine. I have the same listening preferences.

Sell the Arc Moto 602's. Purchase two sets of for the upper and lower fairings...

https://www.amazon.com/Hertz-165-3-Speaker-Component-System/dp/B016YLM6B4/ref=asc_df_B016YLM6B4/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312070784062&hvpos=1o3&hvne tw=g&hvrand=14023712601029243090&hvpone=&hvptwo=&h vqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9021494 &hvtargid=pla-




You can mount the tweeters where you intended to in the upper fairing and the lower tweeters undet the speaker grills aimed toward your listening position.
Use the Arc Audio 600.4 to power all four front speakers and you’ll have a perfectly matched and very powerful front stage.
Add the Hertz MPX 690.3's to the lids with a two channel amp of your choice.
Set the gain on the lower fairings slightly higher than the upper and the cross over on the lowers to +2db with the upper fairing crossover flat. (That’s what I did). With the front to rear fader that’s about all you’ll need for tuning with this perfectly matched system no dsr-1 would be needed.

Thanks for the info. Where did you mount the 2 small component boxes? And not sure where you talking about tweeter mount on lowers?
 
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Old Dec 12, 2018 | 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by cash64

Thanks for the info. Where did you mount the 2 small component boxes? And not sure where you talking about tweeter mount on lowers?



 
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Old Dec 13, 2018 | 08:36 PM
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So how much are u paying for the install?

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