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Old Dec 27, 2019 | 10:40 AM
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The flatter the signal is when you start, the better the outcome.
 
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Old Dec 27, 2019 | 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by jester0618
I really want to make the May trip but wife can’t get time off and she’s my ride or die partner

Haze, are you saying I need to have my system flashed? Have fade now, and know that if I tap into speakers for dsp input I lose fade. No concern there. I was/am under impression flash not needed with dsp
I flash every single bike I work on. The 4/0 flash is non-sense from a few years ago when the flash tool wasn't as popular as it is now, I think it sounds like garbage....but most guys only had the dealer available for a flash and if you do retail and are shipping boxes out then the only thing you could tell customers was to use the 4/0 flash at the dealer and get a slightly better signal and fade -- so people figured it was a good option.

Like I said, the stuff that Soundz is telling you is technically very correct.

 
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Old Dec 27, 2019 | 11:20 AM
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Start the New Year off with an aftermarket HU and ur still well ahead of the Soundz budget. Problem solved.

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Old Dec 27, 2019 | 11:28 AM
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Start the New Year off with an aftermarket HU and ur still well ahead of the Soundz budget. Problem solved.

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but I like the gts on my ultra. For now. I have that H-D connect which I think is part of it
 
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Old Dec 27, 2019 | 01:07 PM
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For $2k, if 10s aren't involved, it's overpriced. I can't wrap my head around this obsession with fade. A remote level control makes more sense to me. Tune for the highway and use the LC to turn down the rear in the parking lot. At least in these 4 speaker systems.
I think I saw were Da Funk Shop charged $2300 for their 6 speaker system which is superior in my opinion.
 

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Old Dec 27, 2019 | 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by jester0618
but I like the gts on my ultra. For now. I have that H-D connect which I think is part of it
I'm picking up what ur laying down brother. Was just talking with a rider bud of mine about the HU stuff and at the end of the day we are riding sleds first and audio is a supplement. We aren't in an effing recording studio and are in parking lots a very limited amount of time. Get the flash that ADenton recommended, screw the fade control, grab a $6 PAC LC1 and roll on down the road with whatever speakers and amps u decide to run. The audio unicorn is ultimately about the sum of thousands of little details so do the best u can within the parameters u define and for now just enjoy the tuning process that ultimately can get u way down the road to very damn good audio.

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Old Dec 27, 2019 | 07:48 PM
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I've heard the soundz stuff down in galveston, and also know a local dealer here near STL. The owner of the company, Peter Jensen is a very knowledgeable guy and as Haze said is not technically incorrect. However, is fade worth 2k? If you're $800 in, how could an extra $1,200 justify fade? It can't.

The 8/2 flash is the flattest out there, and in fact is the same flash soundz uses in their flashes. 8/2 does not use fade from the HU, but maybe with his modified Metra Axxess DSP, you get it. But again, who really cares. If you want to check the various flashes, check out the boom flash rta thread that I started. It breaks every flash down, shows fade or no fade, and running vs. accessory.

In my opinion, 8/2 with a LOC or speaker level inputs into your dsp (DSP dependant) will get you down the road with PLENTY of money to spare vs. Soundz.

I'm not bashing Soundz in any way, because as I said, it's good stuff. But, it's not great stuff. Also, you'll never hear a bass note whatsoever.

I wouldn't steer that direction at all. I'll put a 4 speaker mmats on a dsp up against his any day of the week. Even if SQ and Volume were the same, you're still $1,200 ahead.

That's my Internet Vulture opinion

 
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Old Dec 27, 2019 | 08:26 PM
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I don't have a Rushmore bike but my neighbor does. I was curious does the new Rockford flash retain the fade control? If so does the output of the head unit become something that could be used with normal RCA inputs for most amps out there?

In reading all of this I just realized I do use my fade control from time to time depending on what type of helmet or jacket I am wearing. Today I was wearing my old leather jacket that bunches up in the shoulders and blocks a little bit of sound from the rear so I thumbed the fader a notch towards the rear. I like being able to do that from the handlebar vs. reaching for a **** somewhere.
 
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Old Dec 27, 2019 | 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Hoyt 1911A1
I don't have a Rushmore bike but my neighbor does. I was curious does the new Rockford flash retain the fade control? If so does the output of the head unit become something that could be used with normal RCA inputs for most amps out there?

In reading all of this I just realized I do use my fade control from time to time depending on what type of helmet or jacket I am wearing. Today I was wearing my old leather jacket that bunches up in the shoulders and blocks a little bit of sound from the rear so I thumbed the fader a notch towards the rear. I like being able to do that from the handlebar vs. reaching for a **** somewhere.
The RF flash does retain fade. The HU still sends a speaker level input to the amp, but a simple PAC line leveler can be used to convert them to RCA wires.

 
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Old Dec 27, 2019 | 08:54 PM
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The RF flash does retain fade. The HU still sends a speaker level input to the amp, but a simple PAC line leveler can be used to convert them to RCA wires.
Ah, thanks for that info Adenton. The RF TM400x4ad has high level inputs so I imagine that may be why it is still speaker level. If someone is using a DSP and wants fade, is that a good flash to go with?

I seem to recall that the Boom Box head units achieve fade by toggling the two built in amplifiers and if you want a true "low level" signal you lose the fade functionality. Is this true?

BTW good work on those graphs, it puts things in a visual format that us pot lickers can understand.
 
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