What would you add to this for more mid/bass?
Just a quick thought. How accurate is your tuning? Have you played with the x-overs on your amp to see if your Mmats and G2'S are reaching their potential on the frequency end of things. With the variable x-over on most amps it's hard to tell.
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Its probably very inaccurate. I have not gotten a DSP...yet. The xovers are set at best guestimates around 100. A tad higher for the mmats. I figure if I add more speakers than a DSP will be a must.
Realistically a 6.5" won't produce bass, but they won't produce mids either, if the x-over is too high. Obviously you have to set things by ear without a DSP, but the Mmats and G2 combo can sound pretty decent even without a DSP.
I'm currently running the Mmats in the fairing, and G2's in the lowers and not running a DSP. I have some decent thump coming from both my Mmats and the DB Moto G2's. I have also stuffed fiber fill in lowers as well as wrapped fiber fill around the outside of my Mmats in the fairing.
I did some testing with the EQ set flat yesterday to see how it would work out, and it wasn't bad at all. A little tweaking with the EQ, definitely produces a better sound, but they sounded good enough without the EQ that we might try the same combo on a buddies bike with just his HU feeding the Stinger.
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2011 FLHTCU
PN4 1000d (will soon be swapped for Stinger 700)
NVX VADM2
2 MMATS PA601cx in fairing
2 DB MOTO G2s in lower fairings
2 Kicker 46CSC654 in TP pods
Given this setup, and bearing in mind that I can keep or return the Pn4 or Stinger or both, what would you do here if you wanted to add those lower frequencies into the sound?
I am happy with the way this turned out as it is but I f&*#%d up by researching things I shouldn't have and now I want those deeper sounds to fill out the audio more. If I can hear it in a YouTube video than it must be obtainable.
I know options are endless but given this current set up what quick/simple changes would have the biggest effect? I realize a DSP will be a necessity. I am not trying to go compete I just want good audio. Are we talking some 6x9s in the lids? Or a couple 8" woofers in the lids or lowers? Do you really lose it all on the highway? What about back roads and through city traffic? Will these amps suffice or do I "need" better options?
If I'm looking for different or additional midrange/midbass woofers what freq range am I looking at for that optimal mid bass sound? Do they make 8" tour pack adapters?
I realize there are countless threads on the subject of the various types of speakers and other recommendations but I am curious what I can do without starting completely over.
PN4 1000d (will soon be swapped for Stinger 700)
NVX VADM2
2 MMATS PA601cx in fairing
2 DB MOTO G2s in lower fairings
2 Kicker 46CSC654 in TP pods
Given this setup, and bearing in mind that I can keep or return the Pn4 or Stinger or both, what would you do here if you wanted to add those lower frequencies into the sound?
I am happy with the way this turned out as it is but I f&*#%d up by researching things I shouldn't have and now I want those deeper sounds to fill out the audio more. If I can hear it in a YouTube video than it must be obtainable.
I know options are endless but given this current set up what quick/simple changes would have the biggest effect? I realize a DSP will be a necessity. I am not trying to go compete I just want good audio. Are we talking some 6x9s in the lids? Or a couple 8" woofers in the lids or lowers? Do you really lose it all on the highway? What about back roads and through city traffic? Will these amps suffice or do I "need" better options?
If I'm looking for different or additional midrange/midbass woofers what freq range am I looking at for that optimal mid bass sound? Do they make 8" tour pack adapters?
I realize there are countless threads on the subject of the various types of speakers and other recommendations but I am curious what I can do without starting completely over.
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Good advice there. Don't ignore the amp gain either. If you pull the crossover down to 80hz and it doesn't sound good, try backing the gain off a little and see if it helps. It's a balancing act.
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I would pop that fairing open and play with those x-overs. Dial them down a little lower and see how it works out. Even I'm guilty of setting my x-overs a little too high. I think we all have a tendency to lean a little conservative, just to be safe.
Realistically a 6.5" won't produce bass, but they won't produce mids either, if the x-over is too high. Obviously you have to set things by ear without a DSP, but the Mmats and G2 combo can sound pretty decent even without a DSP.
I'm currently running the Mmats in the fairing, and G2's in the lowers and not running a DSP. I have some decent thump coming from both my Mmats and the DB Moto G2's. I have also stuffed fiber fill in lowers as well as wrapped fiber fill around the outside of my Mmats in the fairing.
I did some testing with the EQ set flat yesterday to see how it would work out, and it wasn't bad at all. A little tweaking with the EQ, definitely produces a better sound, but they sounded good enough without the EQ that we might try the same combo on a buddies bike with just his HU feeding the Stinger.
Realistically a 6.5" won't produce bass, but they won't produce mids either, if the x-over is too high. Obviously you have to set things by ear without a DSP, but the Mmats and G2 combo can sound pretty decent even without a DSP.
I'm currently running the Mmats in the fairing, and G2's in the lowers and not running a DSP. I have some decent thump coming from both my Mmats and the DB Moto G2's. I have also stuffed fiber fill in lowers as well as wrapped fiber fill around the outside of my Mmats in the fairing.
I did some testing with the EQ set flat yesterday to see how it would work out, and it wasn't bad at all. A little tweaking with the EQ, definitely produces a better sound, but they sounded good enough without the EQ that we might try the same combo on a buddies bike with just his HU feeding the Stinger.
A 6.5" can only produce so much bass/mid-range, but the x-over decides where those frequencies start to cut off. Get that setting wrong, and one of the most sought after tone of the speaker is left on the table.
The G2'S are a prime example of a speaker that is terrible sounding if the x-over is accidentally set even a little too high. Those mid frequencies are needed to blend with those high frequencies, or that speaker will be harsh and unbearable.
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Most definitely! I find people quite often pick a spot on the dial and guess where 100hz is. More often then not, they end up setting the x-over too high. Like Zach points out, it's a bit of a balancing game to get it right. Always a tough thing to get things right with a stereo blaring away in the garage and the wife yelling "Turn it Down! from the walk in door.
A 6.5" can only produce so much bass/mid-range, but the x-over decides where those frequencies start to cut off. Get that setting wrong, and one of the most sought after tone of the speaker is left on the table.
The G2'S are a prime example of a speaker that is terrible sounding if the x-over is accidentally set even a little too high. Those mid frequencies are needed to blend with those high frequencies, or that speaker will be harsh and unbearable.
A 6.5" can only produce so much bass/mid-range, but the x-over decides where those frequencies start to cut off. Get that setting wrong, and one of the most sought after tone of the speaker is left on the table.
The G2'S are a prime example of a speaker that is terrible sounding if the x-over is accidentally set even a little too high. Those mid frequencies are needed to blend with those high frequencies, or that speaker will be harsh and unbearable.
Maybe I can ask this question here, haven't researched it yet. If channel 1 and 2 are running speakers at 4 ohm, can I run channel 3 and 4 at 2 ohm? Or am I limited to picking either 2 or 4 ohm and sticking with that across all channels?
And gain settings. Speakers rated at 150w rms with an amp rated for 200w rms. Set the amp at 150 or 200?
For future reference.
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I gave in and bought a DSP. That way I can get the crossovers set properly for each speaker instead of buying more speakers that I think will be better suited. Then at that point I'll know where I need to take it, if anywhere. Im also swapping my PN4 and Stinger for the Tx48 and NVX combo. That will at least cover me power wise in the future for most applications.
Maybe I can ask this question here, haven't researched it yet. If channel 1 and 2 are running speakers at 4 ohm, can I run channel 3 and 4 at 2 ohm? Or am I limited to picking either 2 or 4 ohm and sticking with that across all channels?
And gain settings. Speakers rated at 150w rms with an amp rated for 200w rms. Set the amp at 150 or 200?
For future reference.
Maybe I can ask this question here, haven't researched it yet. If channel 1 and 2 are running speakers at 4 ohm, can I run channel 3 and 4 at 2 ohm? Or am I limited to picking either 2 or 4 ohm and sticking with that across all channels?
And gain settings. Speakers rated at 150w rms with an amp rated for 200w rms. Set the amp at 150 or 200?
For future reference.
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Edit: nvm I found the threads specifically talking about the TX48
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