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Old Mar 14, 2017 | 12:14 PM
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Ive installed an M6 in this 06 low rider. Now the instructions from Hayden say in needs to be 3/8 from bottom of shoe to guide plate. I assume the bottom measurement is where I Marked a #1. At that location it is 5/16. The chain seems super tight. Can anyone who has installed one of these chime in?? Is there an acceptable range or what?
 
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Old Mar 14, 2017 | 01:32 PM
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Hayden instructions shows measurement is taken from bottom of plastic shoe to top of shim pack, so from base of "1" down to top of shim pack, my 2 cents.
 
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Originally Posted by Lockeshill
Now the instructions from Hayden say in needs to be 3/8 from bottom of shoe to guide plate.
Throw this away

What you're shooting for is 1/2" to 7/8" slack in the chain (as measured in movement of the upper half of the chain)

I shoot for 1/2" slack

How far that equates in distance from the bottom of the shoe to the guide plate - who the hell knows - chains stretch / wear




Originally Posted by Lockeshill
The chain seems super tight.
Then loosen the shoe and adjust till you get ~ 1/2" or so - of play in the upper half chain

Use a tape / ruler to measure the play

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Originally Posted by Ghost_13
Throw this away

What you're shooting for is 1/2" to 7/8" slack in the chain (as measured in movement of the upper half of the chain)

I shoot for 1/2" slack

How far that equates in distance from the bottom of the shoe to the guide plate - who the hell knows - chains stretch / wear






Then loosen the shoe and adjust till you get ~ 1/2" or so - of play in the upper half chain

Use a tape / ruler to measure the play

Ghost
I get that i need to be conserned about the chain and not the tensioner. But with an auto tensioner that cant be adjusted (loosened) the chain is already dead straight if you look at the other pic. It has about 3/16 freeplay at best.
 
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Old Mar 14, 2017 | 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Lockeshill
I get that i need to be conserned about the chain and not the tensioner. But with an auto tensioner that cant be adjusted (loosened) the chain is already dead straight if you look at the other pic. It has about 3/16 freeplay at best.
This one an auto tensioner - got it

Before installing - did you fully collapse it - put a zip tie around it..., to keep it from expanding..., install - then cut the zip tie

If not - that how it needs to be installed

You can remove it..., reset to fully collapsed..., zip tie.., then reinstall / set


3/16 slack is too tight - be noisy..., and wear prematurely


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Old Mar 14, 2017 | 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Ghost_13
This one an auto tensioner - got it

Before installing - did you fully collapse it - put a zip tie around it..., to keep it from expanding..., install - then cut the zip tie

If not - that how it needs to be installed

You can remove it..., reset to fully collapsed..., zip tie.., then reinstall / set


3/16 slack is too tight - be noisy..., and wear prematurely


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No doubt Ghost waaay too tight. And yup i did the zip tie deal. I called Hayden this morning but just voicemail. I did read a couple of threads on this esteemed forum where guys said they had issues with these being too tight.
 
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Old Mar 14, 2017 | 06:43 PM
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I recently installed M6. Wasn't super tight, seems to be working fine. Noisy - but that's expected for ~500mi before chain sets in shoe.

I've read that previously spring was too long, and in new kits it was shortened. Maybe you got old tensioner?
 
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Old Mar 14, 2017 | 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Lockeshill
No doubt Ghost waaay too tight. And yup i did the zip tie deal. I called Hayden this morning but just voicemail. I did read a couple of threads on this esteemed forum where guys said they had issues with these being too tight.


they had a batch of springs that were a bit longer as well. I got the new shorter springs with my Hayden, and when I installed it, it was at about 5/16 as well. But I went with it, as new it was riding on the chain frame not the rollers, it let it wear in, and in a few hundred miles it was silent and had the requisite 3/8 measurement and was riding the rollers, with tiny d]grooves for the chain frame. After 30k it still looks identical...
 
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Originally Posted by skid_pimp
they had a batch of springs that were a bit longer as well. I got the new shorter springs with my Hayden, and when I installed it, it was at about 5/16 as well. But I went with it, as new it was riding on the chain frame not the rollers, it let it wear in, and in a few hundred miles it was silent and had the requisite 3/8 measurement and was riding the rollers, with tiny d]grooves for the chain frame. After 30k it still looks identical...
Ahh good to know. That was actually my question for Hayden. "Do you have shorter springs for these situations?" Hopefully ill hear from them as id rather not return it. As for letting it break in I just rebuilt the whole primary for a deteriorating ipb resulting from crappy tensioning etc.
 
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I just got some shorter springs to replace the springs I got a few years back (2014). I took the unit out but will put it back in once the cold garage is warm enough to work in. The older springs are 1 1/4"and 1 5/8". The shorter springs are 1 1/8" and 1 3/8". Hope this helps.
 
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