Stupid Question ?
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From: Kalaui Kona HI
RE: Stupid Question ?
I was going to dyno tune all along. I feel the info from the dealer and when to do it was not up front. I just hope I can get a reputable tunner to do it. Cost is not a problem, I just want to get what I pay for. In Dallas, Houston or Austin who is good?
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RE: Stupid Question ?
ORIGINAL: man4mopar
No offence and not trying to start anything. But do you have a AFR chart or have you run a AFR check with a bike set up SE air cleaner and SE II's or some other free flowing exhaust? If you have no chart what did you find in AFR's?
I ask this because if using the SERT or a download and utilizingthe narrow band sensors. The majority of the map is closed loop unless changed by tuner with SERT. WOT,high loads and cold starts are open loop. Butmajority of mapis inclosed loop wheremost ride. And that will be a 14.7:1 ratio. Which some feel is too lean, I disagree but not the point. So if one believes that, then to get out of the 14.7:1 ratio one needs a SERT,PCIII,Tmax,DTT or some other full fuel management system. And unless that system uses a O2 sensor for self adjustment one needs a AFR meter to tune them self or have it done by a tuner. Canned maps in a open loop system get you close maybe.
ORIGINAL: Trotter
Top.... If your running the 2007 Street legal mufflers and the S.E. Air Cleaner with the download than your fine... After Market pipes and A/C... the 2007 Stage 1 Download Is'nt enough...
Top.... If your running the 2007 Street legal mufflers and the S.E. Air Cleaner with the download than your fine... After Market pipes and A/C... the 2007 Stage 1 Download Is'nt enough...
I ask this because if using the SERT or a download and utilizingthe narrow band sensors. The majority of the map is closed loop unless changed by tuner with SERT. WOT,high loads and cold starts are open loop. Butmajority of mapis inclosed loop wheremost ride. And that will be a 14.7:1 ratio. Which some feel is too lean, I disagree but not the point. So if one believes that, then to get out of the 14.7:1 ratio one needs a SERT,PCIII,Tmax,DTT or some other full fuel management system. And unless that system uses a O2 sensor for self adjustment one needs a AFR meter to tune them self or have it done by a tuner. Canned maps in a open loop system get you close maybe.
I'm lost as a green dick in a pickle jar!
Where is my paid off 06 2006 VTX?
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RE: Stupid Question ?
ORIGINAL: RAWHIDE07
so Trotter,the plug ins from nightrider are not for performance?
so Trotter,the plug ins from nightrider are not for performance?
what's nightrider?? the yellow plug wires, or????
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RE: Stupid Question ?
Also having a FI TC 88, I went w/ the V&H exhaust, K&N A/C and PCIII USB. After installing, I
connected a hand held dual channel temp data recorder, 1 lead to each exhaust pipe. Drove
around a bit and returned and analyzed the data on the recorder and found rear cylinder runs
hotter than front. Tweaked the PCIII on the laptop and repeated a few more times. Got
exhaust temps VERY close and tweaked some more, till " Seat of Pants " dyno said " That's
the Spot ". Brought to dyno tuner and he tweaked for 10 minutes and it was done. Tuner
told me she was near perfect when it came in, due to exhaust temps being near identacle
and realy didn't need the dyno time.
Don't know how technical you are, but the data loggers can be had for around $ 250 bucks.
I just happened to have one for my work.
Ride safe
connected a hand held dual channel temp data recorder, 1 lead to each exhaust pipe. Drove
around a bit and returned and analyzed the data on the recorder and found rear cylinder runs
hotter than front. Tweaked the PCIII on the laptop and repeated a few more times. Got
exhaust temps VERY close and tweaked some more, till " Seat of Pants " dyno said " That's
the Spot ". Brought to dyno tuner and he tweaked for 10 minutes and it was done. Tuner
told me she was near perfect when it came in, due to exhaust temps being near identacle
and realy didn't need the dyno time.
Don't know how technical you are, but the data loggers can be had for around $ 250 bucks.
I just happened to have one for my work.
Ride safe
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The Plug In's are not for performance... but to adj the A/F at idle and steady throttle from 14.7 to 14.2 which is better... but 13.2/13.7 is better... Which your Dyno Tech can achieve for each Cyl.
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The question was
Why someone would go out and spend 13,000.00 to 18,000.00 on a bike then spend 200.00 on a A/C and another 300.00/500.00 on a Exhaust system and alot of other moneys on chrome stuff, But over look the most Important part of the exhaust equation spending 300.00 to 500.00 to get the bike tuned so the bike runs Cooler andat it's full potentialfor a long life....Is it because it's money spent on someting that you cant look at..?Because you can definatly feel the differance if it's done right... over justa download A/C and pipes...
Why someone would go out and spend 13,000.00 to 18,000.00 on a bike then spend 200.00 on a A/C and another 300.00/500.00 on a Exhaust system and alot of other moneys on chrome stuff, But over look the most Important part of the exhaust equation spending 300.00 to 500.00 to get the bike tuned so the bike runs Cooler andat it's full potentialfor a long life....Is it because it's money spent on someting that you cant look at..?Because you can definatly feel the differance if it's done right... over justa download A/C and pipes...
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ORIGINAL: Trotter
The question was
Why someone would go out and spend 13,000.00 to 18,000.00 on a bike then spend 200.00 on a A/C and another 300.00/500.00 on a Exhaust system and alot of other moneys on chrome stuff, But over look the most Important part of the exhaust equation spending 300.00 to 500.00 to get the bike tuned so the bike runs Cooler andat it's full potentialfor a long life....Is it because it's money spent on someting that you cant look at..?Because you can definatly feel the differance if it's done right... over justa download A/C and pipes...
The question was
Why someone would go out and spend 13,000.00 to 18,000.00 on a bike then spend 200.00 on a A/C and another 300.00/500.00 on a Exhaust system and alot of other moneys on chrome stuff, But over look the most Important part of the exhaust equation spending 300.00 to 500.00 to get the bike tuned so the bike runs Cooler andat it's full potentialfor a long life....Is it because it's money spent on someting that you cant look at..?Because you can definatly feel the differance if it's done right... over justa download A/C and pipes...
Gezzus chrysler man!! Once installed it's off to the dyno for a final tune. Weather has been brutal here, Single digits High of 8* today. Hot diggity dog. NOT.Just don't want to expose the bike in a unheated trailer.Schedualed tohave the scoot in the dealer next week for a dyno tune.
Discussed at lenght with the tech and It appears he knows his Chit. Can't wait to eeek out all the performance possiable. But the most important is the cooler running Machine.
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ORIGINAL: Trotter
The question was
Why someone would go out and spend 13,000.00 to 18,000.00 on a bike then spend 200.00 on a A/C and another 300.00/500.00 on a Exhaust system and alot of other moneys on chrome stuff, But over look the most Important part of the exhaust equation spending 300.00 to 500.00 to get the bike tuned so the bike runs Cooler andat it's full potentialfor a long life....Is it because it's money spent on someting that you cant look at..?Because you can definatly feel the differance if it's done right... over justa download A/C and pipes...
The question was
Why someone would go out and spend 13,000.00 to 18,000.00 on a bike then spend 200.00 on a A/C and another 300.00/500.00 on a Exhaust system and alot of other moneys on chrome stuff, But over look the most Important part of the exhaust equation spending 300.00 to 500.00 to get the bike tuned so the bike runs Cooler andat it's full potentialfor a long life....Is it because it's money spent on someting that you cant look at..?Because you can definatly feel the differance if it's done right... over justa download A/C and pipes...
Believe I know what I will be using in the future, and I know an excellent tuner.