SEII vs non-OEM slip ons
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I forgot I did this.... 
The 2nd half of the vid was shot around 7:30am after a 12hr shift which did not include my 90mile ride home. Don't miss those days at all, although I do miss having a job.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9kug2sX0Is
The 2nd half of the vid was shot around 7:30am after a 12hr shift which did not include my 90mile ride home. Don't miss those days at all, although I do miss having a job.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9kug2sX0Is
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Tad, the EPA became more stringent. That's why the new bikes run so lean, to comply with new EPA regulations.
The old style SEII mufflers do not meet those requirements. Harley stopped production of them and moved to the quieter, epa-compliant SE mufflers we now have.
It's horsecrap in my book. I'd bet it takes like 1,000 motorcycles to match a single automobile's carbon footprint.
You'll know you have an original SEII non-epa compiant muffler if it says "for off-road use only" on the back.
The old style SEII mufflers do not meet those requirements. Harley stopped production of them and moved to the quieter, epa-compliant SE mufflers we now have.
It's horsecrap in my book. I'd bet it takes like 1,000 motorcycles to match a single automobile's carbon footprint.
You'll know you have an original SEII non-epa compiant muffler if it says "for off-road use only" on the back.
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Tad, the EPA became more stringent. That's why the new bikes run so lean, to comply with new EPA regulations.
The old style SEII mufflers do not meet those requirements. Harley stopped production of them and moved to the quieter, epa-compliant SE mufflers we now have.
It's horsecrap in my book. I'd bet it takes like 1,000 motorcycles to match a single automobile's carbon footprint.
You'll know you have an original SEII non-epa compiant muffler if it says "for off-road use only" on the back.
The old style SEII mufflers do not meet those requirements. Harley stopped production of them and moved to the quieter, epa-compliant SE mufflers we now have.
It's horsecrap in my book. I'd bet it takes like 1,000 motorcycles to match a single automobile's carbon footprint.
You'll know you have an original SEII non-epa compiant muffler if it says "for off-road use only" on the back.
If the new mufflers are quieter that would imply there are noise-related regs. I have seen some references to states and municipalities who, in an effort to combat loud pipes, write laws that require the EPA seal to be legal.
Doesn't HD still make "off road use only" parts, including mufflers? Haven't really checked since I'm neither a loud fan nor a racer but I thought many of the SE Race parts were off road only?
I do like the sound of those pipes in both the videos. I love the sound of my s/o's 2000 Lowrider which has stock pipes - deeper and throatier than the stock pipes on my 07 SB yet still quiet enough for my old, tinnitus-inflicted ears.
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Fred,
Here's a link to various SEII pipes from MoCo.
I could not find SEII or other exhausts for '06 models. This could be caused by the fact '06 was the first year Dyna models got injection?
Perhaps any one else could help to solve this mistery?
Here's a link to various SEII pipes from MoCo.
I could not find SEII or other exhausts for '06 models. This could be caused by the fact '06 was the first year Dyna models got injection?
Perhaps any one else could help to solve this mistery?
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I have the same SEII slip ons in this pic....sold them and got the SEII slash cuts as the ones in the pic are baloney cuts. The slash cuts direct the sound down at the road more. Baloneys are louder by about 20%. BTW, I really like them and you can get Big City Thunder baffles for them if you want.
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There is another part number associated with the older SEII mufflers...I'm working off my memory right now but I want to say its 80293-99a. That is turn-down style. Believe those are the only two part numbers associated but there could be one more.
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I posted this a few days ago in General Chat.
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This is paraphased from the January AMA issue: In 1972 Congress passed the Noise Control Act. This required the EPA to set sound standards for several products. In 1983 the dB limit was 83dB(A) for motorcycles. In 1986 that changed to 80 dB(A) using a drive by test:
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So technically any muffler without an EPA stamp is illegal. No sound test is required to give you a ticket if yours do not have EPA approval. Those pipes you have on your bike that says, "For Competition Use Only," are illegal on the highway. All states or municipalities have to do is enforce the law. They don't need a dB meter. They don't need to pass a law that singles out motorcycles. The law is already there. All they have to do is enforce it. It's a Federal law. Good in all 50 states and territories.
EPA started pressuring the bike manufacturers a few years ago to not sale non-complying pipes.
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This is paraphased from the January AMA issue: In 1972 Congress passed the Noise Control Act. This required the EPA to set sound standards for several products. In 1983 the dB limit was 83dB(A) for motorcycles. In 1986 that changed to 80 dB(A) using a drive by test:
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So technically any muffler without an EPA stamp is illegal. No sound test is required to give you a ticket if yours do not have EPA approval. Those pipes you have on your bike that says, "For Competition Use Only," are illegal on the highway. All states or municipalities have to do is enforce the law. They don't need a dB meter. They don't need to pass a law that singles out motorcycles. The law is already there. All they have to do is enforce it. It's a Federal law. Good in all 50 states and territories.
EPA started pressuring the bike manufacturers a few years ago to not sale non-complying pipes.
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From: Enfield,Connecticut
I also wanted something a little louder, a little sharper, etc. but not break the bank. Dealer talked me into Cycle Shack slip-ons. Used them for about a month, and found out that over about an hour or so, they gave me a nasty headache, even wearing a bucket. Then went to the SE slip-ons which I should have done in the first place. A little louder than stock, with a nice deep tone IMO.