tts? pcv? thundermax? supertuner? for 2011 fxdb
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From: Pensacola, Florida
Huh? Took me about a hour to install my Tmax on a streetbob.
Including removing the tank to route the front o2 sensor along the backbone and a trip to best buy for a USB to serial cable.
Including removing the tank to route the front o2 sensor along the backbone and a trip to best buy for a USB to serial cable.
Last edited by Bfisher1970; Jul 3, 2011 at 10:59 PM.
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From: Ogden, UT
Had a thundermaxmax with autotune on an a sporty, worked great. Sporty burned up. Got a Dyna - Street Bob.
The T-Max is hell to install in a dyna.
In addition to the T-Max module and Autotune, you'll need $30-$60 in additional cabling as these units were designed in the 90's and they haven't updated the ECM to use USB Computor connection so you gotta get the $30 adapter. Then as the ECM has to be instlled upside down and once installed the enclosed cable cant be reached to un-plug or re-plug for future downloads, you gotta get another $30 cable which has to be wired into the motorcycle main plug which connects to the ECM.
Took 8 days for the install as no one was saying that these additional cables were necessary, and had to be ordered from Zippers (the T-Max maker). You'll also need a Dremmel tool to cut down the factory ECM housing to get the T-MAx to fit into the bike, etc. etc. etc.
Finally the recommended program for my bikes configuration gave me 30 MPG with lots of decel popping. If you have to call Zippers, talk to George or James. The other fellow will blow a lot of Politically Correct smoke up your butt with no streight answers, which you don't need if already frustrated.
Soooo, would I recommend the T-Max to a fellow Dyna Rider, Hell no. There are too many other modern less expensive alternatives available to the street rider. I'd call Fuel Moto, one of the HD Forum Sponsors, and visit with Kieth or Jamie. Good folks, they helped develope some of the Power Commander line, handle most other brands, and know their stuff - Good Luck
The T-Max is hell to install in a dyna.
In addition to the T-Max module and Autotune, you'll need $30-$60 in additional cabling as these units were designed in the 90's and they haven't updated the ECM to use USB Computor connection so you gotta get the $30 adapter. Then as the ECM has to be instlled upside down and once installed the enclosed cable cant be reached to un-plug or re-plug for future downloads, you gotta get another $30 cable which has to be wired into the motorcycle main plug which connects to the ECM.
Took 8 days for the install as no one was saying that these additional cables were necessary, and had to be ordered from Zippers (the T-Max maker). You'll also need a Dremmel tool to cut down the factory ECM housing to get the T-MAx to fit into the bike, etc. etc. etc.
Finally the recommended program for my bikes configuration gave me 30 MPG with lots of decel popping. If you have to call Zippers, talk to George or James. The other fellow will blow a lot of Politically Correct smoke up your butt with no streight answers, which you don't need if already frustrated.
Soooo, would I recommend the T-Max to a fellow Dyna Rider, Hell no. There are too many other modern less expensive alternatives available to the street rider. I'd call Fuel Moto, one of the HD Forum Sponsors, and visit with Kieth or Jamie. Good folks, they helped develope some of the Power Commander line, handle most other brands, and know their stuff - Good Luck
You could not be more wrong about the TMax. You do not need to buy ANY additional cables. If you don't have a serial port then you may need an adapter for that. You can pick them up at Best Buy, no big deal.
The install was a piece of cake.
BTW, Zippers has redesigned the Dyna unit and the install is now much easier, no need to modify the electrical caddy. Even on the previous version, which I have, you did not have to take a dremel tool to the factory ECM housing, it was the electrical caddy and it was a 5 minute job. The fact that you do not know the correct terminology leads me to believe your post is less than honest, as this stuff is clearly spelled out in the manual.
I have had nothing but good experiences with the TMax and the people there.
As for taking 8 days to install, perhaps you should have read all the directions before trying to install, everything you say they did not tell you is in the installation manual if you take the time to read it.
So bottom line, it worked great on your sporty, but you could not figure it out on a Dyna...I find that hard to believe.
Last edited by 8541hog; Jul 3, 2011 at 10:58 PM.
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Yup, 8 days - I couldn't be more right. But that included the time my bike was down waiting for parts from Zippers. For 8541, you comments are out of line. Kinda poor judgement to call a man dishonest for a slip in terminology. But to address your issues. Best buy didn't have a serial port cable as required and as you suggested they did, nor did Radio Shack - they had discontinued carrying them as they were obsolete. Etc Etc. Zippers was of very little help and I never got an answer as to why they didn't ship the required cabling with the unit, and in the directions Zippers recommended using a Dremmel tool to modify the caddy. The redesign wasn't out yet and may be a good deal, but not for the money. The T-Max was designed in the 90's. New technology has caught up, and for sess money. By the time my T-Max was installed I was out a grand. NO I don't recommend T-Max to anyone unless you're doing research, like designing intake or exhaust systems. Call Jamie at Fuel Moto, ask about the Power Vivion or one of the several other fuel modifiers they carry. They are good honest folks to deal with.
8541, I'm sure your moma told you that if you cant say something nice about someone you don't know, and dont know the circumstances about which your addressing - then you should keep your mouth shut.
8541, I'm sure your moma told you that if you cant say something nice about someone you don't know, and dont know the circumstances about which your addressing - then you should keep your mouth shut.
Last edited by Snarvol; Apr 28, 2012 at 11:05 PM.
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Yup, 8 days - I couldn't be more right. But that included the time my bike was down waiting for parts from Zippers. For 8541, you comments are out of line. Kinda poor judgement to call a man dishonest for a slip in terminology. But to address your issues. Best buy didn't have a serial port cable as required and as you suggested they did, nor did Radio Shack - they had discontinued carrying them as they were obsolete. Etc Etc. Zippers was of very little help and I never got an answer as to why they didn't ship the required cabling with the unit, and in the directions Zippers recommended using a Dremmel tool to modify the caddy. The redesign wasn't out yet and may be a good deal, but not for the money. The T-Max was designed in the 90's. New technology has caught up, and for sess money. By the time my T-Max was installed I was out a grand. NO I don't recommend T-Max to anyone unless you're doing research, like designing intake or exhaust systems. Call Jamie at Fuel Moto, ask about the Power Vivion or one of the several other fuel modifiers they carry. They are good honest folks to deal with.
8541, I'm sure your moma told you that if you cant say something nice about someone you don't know, and dont know the circumstances about which your addressing - then you should keep your mouth shut.
8541, I'm sure your moma told you that if you cant say something nice about someone you don't know, and dont know the circumstances about which your addressing - then you should keep your mouth shut.
I have found Zippers people to be extremely helpful and friendly, had no problems whatsoever with the unit, and it is by far the best damn "tuner" on the market today, no other unit does what it does. This I know from personal experience with multiple units on different bikes from different manufacturers.
So go crawl back in your hole, troll.
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From: Austin, Tx
installed tmax on my 2008 roadking. After it was paided off, moved it to my new 2011 street glide. Did stage 1 upgrade and it's running great. Can you move your TTS from one bike to another? Yes I did change the pipes to a 2009 to keep the wide band sensors, but the tmax is 4 years old and still running fine!
have not had to contact zipper support so can't tell you if they are helpful or not but the product is excellent!!!
have not had to contact zipper support so can't tell you if they are helpful or not but the product is excellent!!!
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Had an interesting conversation with an indy owner yesterday who use to be a service manager at a local HD Dealer, he pretty much confirmed what I knew even though he is not a TMax dealer.
The ThunderMax, it is the only unit with Autotune that does not just create a map, but continuously updates and tunes itself as you ride.
The other autotune units create a map and run off the map, but do not continuously update like the TMax. No need for Dyno tunes or anyone else to dial it in for you.
Check with Dr. V-Twin (a forum sponsor) for great pricing.
The ThunderMax, it is the only unit with Autotune that does not just create a map, but continuously updates and tunes itself as you ride.
The other autotune units create a map and run off the map, but do not continuously update like the TMax. No need for Dyno tunes or anyone else to dial it in for you.
Check with Dr. V-Twin (a forum sponsor) for great pricing.
Tmax and the DTT TCFI unit are very good engine management systems as is the TTS software. None of which are outdated as someone mentioned earlier. The Tmax and TTS are probably best for the plug and play type as they have good starting maps as the DTT TCFI you really need to know fuel and ignition mapping. Tmax and TTS is no different they just have maps with similar mods done as starting points over the DTT TCFI making it easier. And then there are management systems not HD specific that can be outfitted but that is far more complicated then the 3 listed above.
All piggyback systems do is modify ignition timing and fuel delivery and some barely do that. Tmax, DTT TCFI, TTS and any other complete management system or software allowing OE ECM calibration changes is far more advanced and capable. Do piggy back systems work, the answer is yes to a point. Won't be able to calibrate your speedo with piggy back systems I am familiar with. And they can only do so much with fuel mapping and ignition mapping. but they will do a decent job on a street ridden bike engine.