it is a complicated topic. But all in all, the video was damn funny. That was the only point I wanted to make. Now would I go out and exploit someone like he did ? No way. but he did it as a joke. Who knows he may know all the guys and set the whole thing up. But you have to admit it was very funny. My sister is married to a mexican and he thought it was funny as hell. sometimes its ok to laugh at yourself . Some people take things way to seriously and might need to calm down a bit.

 

Mike,

I agree with you that there are cases where "greedy" companies in America exploit low wage illegal immigrants. However, I also think there are industries where that has to occur as present. In other words, the debate about American's needing the illegal immigrant to make our economy work at the price points that we want. The alternative is that prices go up for a variety of industries. While I'm sure there are cases of profit gouging, I doubt that is an extended situation in any given industry because competition would destroy the profit margin eventually.

Anyway - Again... I am not condoning the practice. I am not condoning illegal immigration. It isa tough problem because as you've indicated, if we just open the borders we'll be swamped. But I do feel for these people (I could imagine their life that drove them to take these risks). And the entire start of my thread was not about allowing it to happen - but rather expressing disgust at the guy who made the video. I sincerely doubt his motivations were about American jobs. His motivation is that he hates peple and wants to make fun of them.

Regarding my comparison of helmet laws or EPA laws - I'm not comparing the crime or the punishment (which is an entirely different debate). But I am saying that it wouldn't be funny to make a video of some jerk turning in EPA violators. And the punishment for that is just a fine. But we are laughing at some guy playing a joke on illegal immigrants that could cause them to be deported and / or separated from their family. My point is that the humor was in poor taste - and if the tables were turned and someone was messing with what WE care about - we might not find it so funny. I'm trying to bring it to a personal level where perhaps we can feel some empathy for these people. It is too easy to dehumanize them into an enemy. That is what ****'s did to persecute minorities - turn them into an object and dehumanize them. That is what all racists do... because if you see people as human beings, it is impossible to be so cruel. It's the old "do unto others... " concept.

Finally - I do not find disrespecting the American flag or American opportunities funny or acceptable. I believe this country has accomplished unbelievable things in its

 

Let me guess (don't get upset, just a guess), you have never been outside of the US, speak only one language and have no interest in learning any other language or culture,you think your race is the ultimate race,things in your life are your way or the highway, highschool grad that learned nothing but American history.
Let me tell you about myself. My father came to this countrywithout papers, hewanted to give his children a start and he had to start from the ground up. You see, you are not only calling those people criminals, you are calling my father a criminal and I'm pretty much a criminal's son. You on the other hand havenever broken a law in your life...yeah right! I bet you are more of a criminal than those people crossing the border. Yousee, whatever illegal actionsyou have done in the past have you have done for pleasure and stupidity. Those people crossing the border have done it for a purpose higher than simple pleasures. If you want to talk about immigration politics you better have walked in shoes other than your own comfortable shoes. Thanks to my criminal father, I hold a degree in Aeronautics, have served my country in the Air Force, have traveled around the world, and currently hold a respectable position. I don't know who you are orwho you think you are, but it sounds like you are just one of those people that listens to the news and automatically goes off to one end blindly. I can't believe how easily people like you forgetthe atrocities your proud racehas done in the past. I bet American Indians thought of your ancestors as criminals, huh?

 

You've said it perfectly.

If I saw this video doing the same thing to an American Citizen for some other "setup", I wouldn't find this funny.

I was offended at eveyone condeming the illegal immigrant and dehumanizing him.

They are people like you and I.

 

Me too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

And, thanks to your criminal father, a legal American citizen is not a rocket scientist.

mud

 

Wow Mud, I've always enjoyed your posts and your personality until that last one. Do you really think some American is now a plumber, construction worker, or some other blue collar job because 2000FXDWG has an aeronautics degree? "Sorry sir, we have no more rocket scientist positions available because of that fella o'er there.."
I really hope there was some humor in that post I missed. That's almost as bad as the ghetto folk sitting around on their asses blaming the white man for keeping em down. They are excuse makers, and nothing else.

 

The true colors of a person come out when they are told the truth. It's people like you that hinder this country's ability to become what it was meant to be.

 

Just for curiosity Mudd...is that you in that picture with the black FXR or FXD...it is ironic that you have a t-shirt with the face of what looks like an American Indian. Is that like a trophy or something?

 

Well Mr 2000, since want to assume things aboutme I will set the record straight.

I have been outside the US on many occasions. Been to Germany, Canada, Mexico, Puerto Rico. I do speak spanish although not fluently. I do think my race is the ultimate race, its called the human race and is to the best of my knowledge the only race going right now. If you know of another please feel free to enlighten all of us. A little about my background since you so wish to know.

I have a college degree in criminal justice. I spent 4 years in the US Army as 11B(thats light infantryman to you). I have served from 1998-2001. I was stationed at Ft Myer, VA. which is located in Washington DC adjacent to the Pentagon. I was there on 9/11 when the plane flew into the building. I spent the next 6 weeks or so digging through that rubble looking for human race remains. Also had to stand guard for 18 hours a day for a good 4 weeks after we were finished searching. We had to guard a pile of rubble to prevent people from sifting through the mess.

So Mr. 2000 it is very very poor of you to assume things about me of which you know nothing about. Have I committed a crime in my life you ask? Yes, I have. many of them, and each and every time I have been punished for it. The same way illegal aliens need to be punished for breaking the law. And yes you father was a criminal, I dont see how you can deny that. You seem to want to put yourself high on the hog but not face the facts as they are. Your father was lucky, but he still broke the law. I am not saying at all the way people live in Mexico is right, but because your life isn't how you like doesn't give you the right to break laws to better yourself. Or maybe you think it does since your father taught you that it is the way to do things. The law is the law, if you don't like it contact your local congressman and try and get it changed.