Propipe to trans mounting issues??? Vibration issues?
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Propipe to trans mounting issues??? Vibration issues?
I've been busy as hell lately, and haven't had a chance to even look at my bike until yesterday. So, yesterday while troubleshooting and electrical gremlin. I looked st the mounts for the exhaust..... And found it just riding on 1 bolt. That is it. Hmmm... Shook the pipe, and all seems fine. Grabbed to 5/16x1.5" bolts today, and a spacer to cut down. Found the lower bolt broke off in the trans case, and the middle bolt appears to have stripped or wallowed out the trans case.
So.... WTF? If the vibration is that bad with the length of the pipe. A helicoil won't be a reliable repair, a time-SERT may or may not be, and getting the broken bolt out is going to be a nightmare, if I even can. I may have to take the case to a machine shop, and have it done.
Any thoughts? If I'm going to ride this year, think I'm going to have to get my FXR back together sooner than I planned,
Upper mount with missing bolt and spacer, those threads appear okay.
This one I have the bolt, but, the hole is is wrecked. No threads. Just spins. Can't get a clear view down there... But....
And the final, is the lower rear case bolt... Broke off in the case... Really? WTF?
Chase
So.... WTF? If the vibration is that bad with the length of the pipe. A helicoil won't be a reliable repair, a time-SERT may or may not be, and getting the broken bolt out is going to be a nightmare, if I even can. I may have to take the case to a machine shop, and have it done.
Any thoughts? If I'm going to ride this year, think I'm going to have to get my FXR back together sooner than I planned,
Upper mount with missing bolt and spacer, those threads appear okay.
This one I have the bolt, but, the hole is is wrecked. No threads. Just spins. Can't get a clear view down there... But....
And the final, is the lower rear case bolt... Broke off in the case... Really? WTF?
Chase
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The middle one I would tap next size up or metric...whichever is the minimum you can get away with.
The broken off one may be a bitch. You could always try it with the top two and see if you can get through the season.
You could also make a short brace to use abother bolt location...you will have to look at it and see if thats feasible.
By the way, what exhaust is this? Several ones I have had to take that bracket and hog it out around the cover. Maybe yours was actually hitting the cover and the bolts may have seemed tight? Something to look into maybe.
The broken off one may be a bitch. You could always try it with the top two and see if you can get through the season.
You could also make a short brace to use abother bolt location...you will have to look at it and see if thats feasible.
By the way, what exhaust is this? Several ones I have had to take that bracket and hog it out around the cover. Maybe yours was actually hitting the cover and the bolts may have seemed tight? Something to look into maybe.
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Why does the bolt look like a allen?
You have enough sticking out that it might not that bad.
If you not comfortable removing it I would suggest taking it to a machine shop.
If you mess it up too bad they may have a problem getting it out. Get a food set of ease outs. You will need a very good drill bit, I would use a diamond bit.
No need to pull the engine just trailer the bike there.
You have enough sticking out that it might not that bad.
If you not comfortable removing it I would suggest taking it to a machine shop.
If you mess it up too bad they may have a problem getting it out. Get a food set of ease outs. You will need a very good drill bit, I would use a diamond bit.
No need to pull the engine just trailer the bike there.
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Dobber, it's the open hole BELOW the Allen bolt.
I installed it. Even rechecked it. I have a slight rub at the leading edge of the bracket, but, nothing hard.
I'll remove the exhaust the rest of the way,, the clutch release cover, and the bearing plate.
If I have enough material to work with, I'll retap. I have no idea how much material is there. Ill go from there.
Hey, I've been doing this since before I could ride them...but, hey, I'm not infallible. If I missed something, or caused it due to error, or grinding the pipe on the pavement, fine. I just need to KNOW. But, I have also not seen a failure like this. The more I've cooled down, and thought about it, I have come up with a few ideas... But, I just don't know.
Thanks,
Chase
I installed it. Even rechecked it. I have a slight rub at the leading edge of the bracket, but, nothing hard.
I'll remove the exhaust the rest of the way,, the clutch release cover, and the bearing plate.
If I have enough material to work with, I'll retap. I have no idea how much material is there. Ill go from there.
Hey, I've been doing this since before I could ride them...but, hey, I'm not infallible. If I missed something, or caused it due to error, or grinding the pipe on the pavement, fine. I just need to KNOW. But, I have also not seen a failure like this. The more I've cooled down, and thought about it, I have come up with a few ideas... But, I just don't know.
Thanks,
Chase
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Dobber, it's the open hole BELOW the Allen bolt.
I installed it. Even rechecked it. I have a slight rub at the leading edge of the bracket, but, nothing hard.
I'll remove the exhaust the rest of the way,, the clutch release cover, and the bearing plate.
If I have enough material to work with, I'll retap. I have no idea how much material is there. Ill go from there.
Hey, I've been doing this since before I could ride them...but, hey, I'm not infallible. If I missed something, or caused it due to error, or grinding the pipe on the pavement, fine. I just need to KNOW. But, I have also not seen a failure like this. The more I've cooled down, and thought about it, I have come up with a few ideas... But, I just don't know.
Thanks,
Chase
I installed it. Even rechecked it. I have a slight rub at the leading edge of the bracket, but, nothing hard.
I'll remove the exhaust the rest of the way,, the clutch release cover, and the bearing plate.
If I have enough material to work with, I'll retap. I have no idea how much material is there. Ill go from there.
Hey, I've been doing this since before I could ride them...but, hey, I'm not infallible. If I missed something, or caused it due to error, or grinding the pipe on the pavement, fine. I just need to KNOW. But, I have also not seen a failure like this. The more I've cooled down, and thought about it, I have come up with a few ideas... But, I just don't know.
Thanks,
Chase
I bet it was put together right and for some reason you lost one of the bolts.
Once that happened, probably the vibes, etc. worked on the rest...it happens.
Good thing is it sounds like you can handle the repairs.
Good luck!
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I'm really starting to wonder....
Pulled the release cover off,and found this...
It was leaking, but I just assumed it was leaking past the oring.... Guess not....
Here you can see where the 2 bolts for the side cover/bearing plate/side door.....
And it isn't getting torn off right now... I need to get my primary lock from my Dads house. I really miss the trap door of the XLs.
There is also some galling on the mating surface, and pry point. Someone has either removed this, or tried to..... Oh the joys...
The threads for the release cover look... Powdery...... Oh joy....
I'm 50/50 cutting my losses on the trans, and buying a complete unit... Or, taking a chance.
Chase
Pulled the release cover off,and found this...
It was leaking, but I just assumed it was leaking past the oring.... Guess not....
Here you can see where the 2 bolts for the side cover/bearing plate/side door.....
And it isn't getting torn off right now... I need to get my primary lock from my Dads house. I really miss the trap door of the XLs.
There is also some galling on the mating surface, and pry point. Someone has either removed this, or tried to..... Oh the joys...
The threads for the release cover look... Powdery...... Oh joy....
I'm 50/50 cutting my losses on the trans, and buying a complete unit... Or, taking a chance.
Chase
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I guess you are planning on pulling the primary, pulley, etc off in hopes of grabbing the piece of bolt?
Been there, done that!
If you want some insight, I have a thread when I replaced my mainshaft bearing...which you will be doing. Order up the Baker IPB too!
https://www.hdforums.com/forum/dyna-...-upgrades.html
Been there, done that!
If you want some insight, I have a thread when I replaced my mainshaft bearing...which you will be doing. Order up the Baker IPB too!
https://www.hdforums.com/forum/dyna-...-upgrades.html
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more than likely the problem started after the bolts began working their way loose. My indy cautioned me about keeping an eye mine after welding up my broken exhaust mount. Those, the final drive pulley and exhaust manifold bolts are the 3 fasteners I check the most. Vibration plays havoc
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