Run start switch question.
Never got an answer to my question on arming and disarming. Does it arm while holding the button and flash the lights twice, does it disarm and flash lights once?
If the 2004 is not a security TSSM, nothing is verified. I didn't see anything about doing a password learn, so it would appear it is a TSM.
Please tell us if it arms and disarms as described here with the ORIGINAL TSSM. I believe it may have lost sync and that's an easy fix, but we need to know if it is arming and disarming.
If the 2004 is not a security TSSM, nothing is verified. I didn't see anything about doing a password learn, so it would appear it is a TSM.
Please tell us if it arms and disarms as described here with the ORIGINAL TSSM. I believe it may have lost sync and that's an easy fix, but we need to know if it is arming and disarming.
Last edited by Ed Ramberger; Mar 29, 2020 at 10:25 AM.
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Ed,
Sorry for the delay. The TSSM (68922-00) on the bike seems to arm and disarm as described in various sources (internet, my 2004 owners manual. etc.). The issue is that no matter what I do, pin 9 on the TSSM stays high and never goes to ground to complete the circuit.
I tried the hold the fob button until the turn signals blink. Do you know of a different method to resync?
Vernal,
First I am hearing of the method you reference. Worth a shot.
Twisted,
Yep, checked the easy stuff. Also checked a bunch of harder stuff going down a rabbit hole
. We learn as we go.
I just find it extremely unlikely the TSSM would just fail out of the blue from sitting. To be fair, it appeared the original starter relay had also failed. I just really seems like the TSSM is responding to the fob but not really disarming.
Thanks,
Garrman
Sorry for the delay. The TSSM (68922-00) on the bike seems to arm and disarm as described in various sources (internet, my 2004 owners manual. etc.). The issue is that no matter what I do, pin 9 on the TSSM stays high and never goes to ground to complete the circuit.
I tried the hold the fob button until the turn signals blink. Do you know of a different method to resync?
Vernal,
First I am hearing of the method you reference. Worth a shot.
Twisted,
Yep, checked the easy stuff. Also checked a bunch of harder stuff going down a rabbit hole
. We learn as we go.I just find it extremely unlikely the TSSM would just fail out of the blue from sitting. To be fair, it appeared the original starter relay had also failed. I just really seems like the TSSM is responding to the fob but not really disarming.
Thanks,
Garrman
Ed,
Sorry for the delay. The TSSM (68922-00) on the bike seems to arm and disarm as described in various sources (internet, my 2004 owners manual. etc.). The issue is that no matter what I do, pin 9 on the TSSM stays high and never goes to ground to complete the circuit.
I tried the hold the fob button until the turn signals blink. Do you know of a different method to resync?
Vernal,
First I am hearing of the method you reference. Worth a shot.
Twisted,
Yep, checked the easy stuff. Also checked a bunch of harder stuff going down a rabbit hole. We learn as we go.
I just find it extremely unlikely the TSSM would just fail out of the blue from sitting. To be fair, it appeared the original starter relay had also failed. I just really seems like the TSSM is responding to the fob but not really disarming.
Thanks,
Garrman
Sorry for the delay. The TSSM (68922-00) on the bike seems to arm and disarm as described in various sources (internet, my 2004 owners manual. etc.). The issue is that no matter what I do, pin 9 on the TSSM stays high and never goes to ground to complete the circuit.
I tried the hold the fob button until the turn signals blink. Do you know of a different method to resync?
Vernal,
First I am hearing of the method you reference. Worth a shot.
Twisted,
Yep, checked the easy stuff. Also checked a bunch of harder stuff going down a rabbit hole
. We learn as we go.I just find it extremely unlikely the TSSM would just fail out of the blue from sitting. To be fair, it appeared the original starter relay had also failed. I just really seems like the TSSM is responding to the fob but not really disarming.
Thanks,
Garrman
If you are saying that you hold the fob button and it arms (lights blink twice) and you hit the button twice and it disarms (lights blink once), the fob has not lost sync. I don't understand your comment about trying to hold the button after you said the alarm is arming and disarming.
The fobs are button activated so it doesn't matter what fob is in proximity - 2001 or ones for the 2004 (but I haven't heard that there are fobs for the 2004 and it sounds like the 2004 is a TSM not a TSSM).
Also, while testing all of this you must have the TSSM oriented correctly - if you leave it lying on its side, it will think it is tipped and will power up but not crank or start.
If the Bank Angle function of the TSSM failed, it will arm and disarm but not crank. Being a 2001, you will not know unless you have a scan tool. The 2004 TSM/TSSM was updated to be on the gauge bus and will say tiP in the odometer on 2004 bikes - but not 2001.
I am assuming you checked all fuses and nothing is blown or corroded.
Last edited by Ed Ramberger; Mar 29, 2020 at 12:00 PM.
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Thanks for the reply Ed.
To clarify, both my buddies bike (2001 RK) and my donor bike (2004 RG) both use the 68022-00 TSSM so the swap was TSSM for TSSM. Also, all tests were conducted with the TSSM in the proper orientation.
The hold the fob button till the turn signals blink was the method my 2004 owners manual specified as the correct way to resync the fob to the TSSM.
I am interested in your comment regarding the Harley Scan tool. I have a Daytona Twin Scan tool that works on my 2002 FLHPI and 2004 FLTRI but does not "see" the ECM or TSSM on the 2001 RK. I was hope that might shed some light on the root cause of the problem.
Strange.
Garrman
To clarify, both my buddies bike (2001 RK) and my donor bike (2004 RG) both use the 68022-00 TSSM so the swap was TSSM for TSSM. Also, all tests were conducted with the TSSM in the proper orientation.
The hold the fob button till the turn signals blink was the method my 2004 owners manual specified as the correct way to resync the fob to the TSSM.
I am interested in your comment regarding the Harley Scan tool. I have a Daytona Twin Scan tool that works on my 2002 FLHPI and 2004 FLTRI but does not "see" the ECM or TSSM on the 2001 RK. I was hope that might shed some light on the root cause of the problem.
Strange.
Garrman
Thanks for the reply Ed.
To clarify, both my buddies bike (2001 RK) and my donor bike (2004 RG) both use the 68022-00 TSSM so the swap was TSSM for TSSM. Also, all tests were conducted with the TSSM in the proper orientation.
The hold the fob button till the turn signals blink was the method my 2004 owners manual specified as the correct way to resync the fob to the TSSM.
I am interested in your comment regarding the Harley Scan tool. I have a Daytona Twin Scan tool that works on my 2002 FLHPI and 2004 FLTRI but does not "see" the ECM or TSSM on the 2001 RK. I was hope that might shed some light on the root cause of the problem.
Strange.
Garrman
To clarify, both my buddies bike (2001 RK) and my donor bike (2004 RG) both use the 68022-00 TSSM so the swap was TSSM for TSSM. Also, all tests were conducted with the TSSM in the proper orientation.
The hold the fob button till the turn signals blink was the method my 2004 owners manual specified as the correct way to resync the fob to the TSSM.
I am interested in your comment regarding the Harley Scan tool. I have a Daytona Twin Scan tool that works on my 2002 FLHPI and 2004 FLTRI but does not "see" the ECM or TSSM on the 2001 RK. I was hope that might shed some light on the root cause of the problem.
Strange.
Garrman
All the online books were revved with part numbers when parts became obsolete, so if your buddy had a security system from 2001, it isn't a D (would be if it was installed later). If, by some chance, you both have the -D, you could plug his into your bike and see if it says tiP (still wouldn't be a 100% diagnosis because these modules fail occasionally in the way you are experiencing with no other indication.)
What is not adding up at all is that you said you swapped security modules and the bike started without a password learn.
This adapter is how you talk to the 2001 TSM/TSSM.
Last edited by Ed Ramberger; Mar 29, 2020 at 12:48 PM.
I would recommend purchasing a service manual - the resistance values should be listed with the procedure to check. Also as the bike is new to you and a different model than you previously owned, the manual will be your friend.
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Had to take a break from working on bikes to be of service to the mother in law.
When I installed the TSSM from my bike, the 2004 RG into my buddies bike, the 2001 RK, it fired right up and ran without doing anything else. I was a bit shocked myself.
I will encourage my friend to purchase the appropriate manuals for his bike. I have them for both of mine and they really save on the number of headaches.
At this point I think I am going to suggest buying a TSSM off eBay. I see several including one with a fob for $99.00.
Not sure what else to do with this.
Garrman
When I installed the TSSM from my bike, the 2004 RG into my buddies bike, the 2001 RK, it fired right up and ran without doing anything else. I was a bit shocked myself.
I will encourage my friend to purchase the appropriate manuals for his bike. I have them for both of mine and they really save on the number of headaches.
At this point I think I am going to suggest buying a TSSM off eBay. I see several including one with a fob for $99.00.
Not sure what else to do with this.
Garrman
ignore this post _ it was meant for a fuel gauge sending unit thread where someone just bought a bike - sorry
Last edited by Ed Ramberger; Mar 30, 2020 at 12:39 PM.
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Quick update. I was able to pick up a new module (68922-00C) on eBay. I brought it over to my buddies house and we installed it on the bike. His battery was low so we end up having to jumpstart the bike to get it to crank. The good news is the bike runs and rides without issue.
One issue remains. The bike no longer responds to the original security fob. I knew this would be the case.
Is there a way to marry a new TSSM to the other components in the system?
I have been searching and see many references to a relearn procedure. Is that what I am looking for? Having said that, Ive seen many different variations. Does anyone know the correct procedure for a 2001 road king?
Unfortunately my buddy did not get an owners manual when he bought the bike. I appreciate all the help and suggestions so far.
Garrman
One issue remains. The bike no longer responds to the original security fob. I knew this would be the case.
Is there a way to marry a new TSSM to the other components in the system?
I have been searching and see many references to a relearn procedure. Is that what I am looking for? Having said that, Ive seen many different variations. Does anyone know the correct procedure for a 2001 road king?
Unfortunately my buddy did not get an owners manual when he bought the bike. I appreciate all the help and suggestions so far.
Garrman
Quick update. I was able to pick up a new module (68922-00C) on eBay. I brought it over to my buddies house and we installed it on the bike. His battery was low so we end up having to jumpstart the bike to get it to crank. The good news is the bike runs and rides without issue.
One issue remains. The bike no longer responds to the original security fob. I knew this would be the case.
Is there a way to marry a new TSSM to the other components in the system?
I have been searching and see many references to a relearn procedure. Is that what I am looking for? Having said that, Ive seen many different variations. Does anyone know the correct procedure for a 2001 road king?
Unfortunately my buddy did not get an owners manual when he bought the bike. I appreciate all the help and suggestions so far.
Garrman
One issue remains. The bike no longer responds to the original security fob. I knew this would be the case.
Is there a way to marry a new TSSM to the other components in the system?
I have been searching and see many references to a relearn procedure. Is that what I am looking for? Having said that, Ive seen many different variations. Does anyone know the correct procedure for a 2001 road king?
Unfortunately my buddy did not get an owners manual when he bought the bike. I appreciate all the help and suggestions so far.
Garrman
