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Engine Mechanical TopicsDiscussion for motor builds, cams, head work, stripped bolts and other engine related issues. The good and the bad. If it goes round and around or up and down, post it here.
I am replacing the cams in my 2016 heritage to S&S 583 and was wonder why that they recommend replacing the cam bearings. I have not heard of any late model bearing failures. I can understand replacing them if the engine has high mileage because of wear. But what I have read they recommend to replace them what ever mileage you have. Can someone explain to me why they need to be replaced?
The OEM bearings don't offer enough carrying capacity for a cam shaft. The "bean counters" saw $1 saved by using a bearing that is substandard. Multiply that dollar by hundreds of thousands of motorcycles, and you see a real savings. Now, to the owners that really ride their bikes a lot, this bearing can cause issues.
Most of the bikes sold, become "garage Queens" with very little use. These owners don't even know/care about the cam bearing/wheel bearing/cam chain followers that other riders are aware of.
The cost of the bearings is very minimal. It's the tool to install them is what cost the most. If you can borrow or rent one then I would definitely change the bearings out. My humble opinion of course.
Mine was low mile when I changed cams and I left them in. I don't recall seeing anyone post problems about the newer 1" bearing going bad. I put a lot of hard miles on it and the cam bearings are still fine. The crank is a different story..
I am replacing the cams in my 2016 heritage to S&S 583 and was wonder why that they recommend replacing the cam bearings. I have not heard of any late model bearing failures. I can understand replacing them if the engine has high mileage because of wear. But what I have read they recommend to replace them what ever mileage you have. Can someone explain to me why they need to be replaced?
I am replacing the cams in my 2016 heritage to S&S 583 and was wonder why that they recommend replacing the cam bearings. I have not heard of any late model bearing failures. I can understand replacing them if the engine has high mileage because of wear. But what I have read they recommend to replace them what ever mileage you have. Can someone explain to me why they need to be replaced?
The link posted by DJL illustrates the difference. The factory bearings are not 'full compliment' bearings. They have fewer rollers, held in place with a cage. The 'full compliment' bearings (B-168 for newer HD's) have more rollers and no cage.
There have been many problems in the past with the reduced roller version, although newer riders may not be aware.
The stock bearings don't hold up well with performance camshafts, and in fact there were many failures with the stock cams.
It is a false economy to not replace the bearings with the full compliment style bearing when upgrading camshafts. That's why S&S, Andrews, and probably most aftermarket cam makers strongly recommend replacing the bearings.
Is it safe to say, once the bearings are changed (assuming higher quality bearings were installed...Timkin, other?) that they don't again need to be changed upon reinstallation of existing or even newer cams?
Is it safe to say, once the bearings are changed (assuming higher quality bearings were installed...Timkin, other?) that they don't again need to be changed upon reinstallation of existing or even newer cams?
Yes, with a couple of exceptions; high mileage and/or other motor damage that could result in debris traveling in the oil in which case, bigger issues to deal with.
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