Strange engine issue
About six weeks back, I noticed that the mid-high throttle response was off just a bit, not much but enough to be noticeable, and there was an slight increase with backfiring when it was cold. I'm thinking lean, so I pulled the plugs and they looked good so I went on. Then a couple of weeks back during a cross-town freeway run, the backfiring increased and was constant in decel...
I am thinking too lean so I pull the carb and go through and clean it but could not find anything wrong. I put it back together and the problem got worse to the point that it would not run without the enricher out, and even then it was really rough, backfiring, farting, just would not run. I go back into the carb, cleaned and rebuilt it with OEM part and it still ran like crap.
I am now thinking I have a massive vacuum leak so I pull the intake and replace all the gaskets and make sure that there are no vacuum leaks...and it still runs like crap. I have gone through the carb, replaced the intake gaskets and made sure that there are no vacuum leaks.
Now I am at the ignition system. I replace the MAP sensor (I had one laying around) with no success, replaced the coil and wires with no success, and ordered a new SE performance ignition module with coil kit. That came in on Monday and I am going to put in today and see what gives.
Is it possible that I have a top-end issue that is causing this problem? I have a big-bore kit and all the bits and pieces with big cams, new high compression pistons and cylinders, and CNC heads that I was saving for a different future project but I am at the point to where if the ignition module doesn't work, just do the build on this engine and ride on.
Is there anything else I should look at before I go full big-bore?
About six weeks back, I noticed that the mid-high throttle response was off just a bit, not much but enough to be noticeable, and there was an slight increase with backfiring when it was cold. I'm thinking lean, so I pulled the plugs and they looked good so I went on. Then a couple of weeks back during a cross-town freeway run, the backfiring increased and was constant in decel...
I am thinking too lean so I pull the carb and go through and clean it but could not find anything wrong. I put it back together and the problem got worse to the point that it would not run without the enricher out, and even then it was really rough, backfiring, farting, just would not run. I go back into the carb, cleaned and rebuilt it with OEM part and it still ran like crap.
I am now thinking I have a massive vacuum leak so I pull the intake and replace all the gaskets and make sure that there are no vacuum leaks...and it still runs like crap. I have gone through the carb, replaced the intake gaskets and made sure that there are no vacuum leaks.
Now I am at the ignition system. I replace the MAP sensor (I had one laying around) with no success, replaced the coil and wires with no success, and ordered a new SE performance ignition module with coil kit. That came in on Monday and I am going to put in today and see what gives.
Is it possible that I have a top-end issue that is causing this problem? I have a big-bore kit and all the bits and pieces with big cams, new high compression pistons and cylinders, and CNC heads that I was saving for a different future project but I am at the point to where if the ignition module doesn't work, just do the build on this engine and ride on.
Is there anything else I should look at before I go full big-bore?
Thats a lot of miles on the stock lifters. Start by checking the lifters.
I thought about the lifters right after I changed the cam tensioners and bearings and kicked myself for not changing them out then. I am wondering if one has collapsed or is binding. I have decided that if I have to go back into the cam case, I am just going to rebuild the top end with the big-bore kit. I have everything I need except the push rod tubes for adjustable push rods.
We had some sub-freezing weather down here right before I noticed the fall-off in power...I was wondering if blasting down the road before allowing the engine to warm up sufficiently may have cracked a head or bent a rod or valve...
Last edited by skinman13; Feb 1, 2018 at 02:36 PM.
I would also take a look at the crank position sensor (CPS). I would not start a rebuild until I had solved the problem.
Last edited by djl; Feb 1, 2018 at 03:13 PM.
It idled rough this time. I am starting to have a bad feeling about those original tappets I didn't change...
I would also take a look at the crank position sensor (CPS). I would not start a rebuild until I had solved the problem.
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I'm guilty of just grabbing a wrench and heading on into things that I know pretty well instead of hitting the books first...that generally comes second...not a good thing sometimes, but not really an issue this time. Classic symptoms of a dirty carb/vacuum leak or ignition problem. BTDT. I am not over my head yet, just hoping that I am not overlooking something else that could be causing this before I start tearing into the cam chest and top end again.
I will pick up a new CPS and give it a try this weekend. I can always use it on the future build if it is not the problem...
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It idled rough this time. I am starting to have a bad feeling about those original tappets I didn't change...I did not check the codes. I never even thought about it. Probably should've, though. I read your suggestion and looked up how, and went out to do that and discovered/remembered that particular switch on my speedometer does not work and I never got around to fixing it. Murphy'd.
Have you grounded plugs and checked the spark? Electrical is not my long suit but if the bike starts easily but won't run unless the enrichener is open, still leaning toward a fuel issue
You mentioned a "bottom up rebuild" on the carb but did you check the emulsion tube. The last bike I worked on had the exact symptoms yours is presenting. Pulled the carb, very clean inside. Looked through the slow jet and couldn't see any light on the other end. Ran a piece of copper wire through, put the carb back on, problem solved; just sayin.









