Not trying to get smart, but apparently nobody knows the answer to his question, well here it is. SE KIT vs ANDREWS KIT. The SE kit is made to use the existing cam or any cam that will fit the original design. Andrews kit is called a conversion kit because it uses a new style cam design with the original diameter for the inner cam bearings. This means there is not any CAM BEARINGS in the CAM PLATE! You may also purchase this Conversion kit from Heath at Foster H-D made with H-D parts, but you will not find it in any H-D catalog.

 

The Inner cam bearing-inner diameter is a different size in the new twin cams, This is the reason that ANDREWS "N" CAMS must be used also.

 

For people referring to this thread, the Andrews conversion is simply 2007 HD cam plate and all related parts. The only thing Andrews in the kit is the hybrid cam that has the larger nose to fit the '07 plate and the smaller rear to fit the stock inner bearing size. It is better than the SE conversion, because it has the roller chain and hydraulic tensioners, on both the outside and the inside. I know, because Andrews told me and I have it in my 01 Wide Glide with 21N cams that are awesome.

 

Brain, you stated you have an '03 and the tc88's came from the factory with a silent chain systems on the inside and outside, if your doing a roller chain upgrade you cannot use the factory cams. You can upgrade to a hydraulic tensioner system however, by replacing the factory cam support plate and spring tensioners with a hydraulic plate and tensioners ..... and still use your existing cams

 

for the n cam conversion cam andrews av some woods too and kury if i remember correct and u can find some machine shop to machine any cam of ur choice to fit the conversion set up i av my andrews 57 h convert to 57 n in my road king 2000

 

Lots of information here and WOLFperformance got close but no cigar.

There are three ways to upgrade a pre-'07 cam chest.

1. The Andrews Conversion Kit
I don't believe is available any longer since the MoCo prohibited the sale of H-D parts from any vendor other than an H-D dealer; but I digress. The Andrews kit was nothing more than an assembly of OEM parts, i.e., cam plate, hydraulic tensioners, inner and outer roller chains and upgraded oil pump, plus some miscellaneous install hardware. This kit was designed to upgrade early cam chests from the spring loaded tensioners to the later and improved design. The conversion cams are required because the early outer cam journals were carried by bearings and are smaller in diameter than the later outer cam journals that ride in the parent material of the cam plate. So early H-D cams cannot be used; hence the "conversion" cams are required that have the correct size inner and outer cam journals.

2. SE Hybrid Kit
Similar to the Andrews kit with the following exceptions:
a. The cam plate is billet and required bearings ala the early OEM cam plate as compared to the Andrews OEM plate that is cast aluminum and the outer cam journals run in the parent material of the plate. So early H-D cams and all aftermarket cams for the early models can be used with this cam plate; conversion cams are not required.
b. The outer chain is a roller but the inner chain is the early OEM link chain for the '02-'06 models but the '99-'01 models must use the link chain at both inner and outer locations to retain the CPS function. Many complain about this feature but this is a "hybrid" kit and was intended to allow the use of early H-D and aftermarket cams.

3. SE Billet Cam Plate/Oil Pump Upgrade Kit
This kit is intended to upgrade the '07 and up 96" cam OEM cam plate and pump to a billet plate and upgraded oil pump. All the other hardware, i.e., tensioners, roller chains, etc. transfer to the billet plate.

This plate can also be used to upgrade an early model cam chest as it is identical to the OEM configuration. One would have to purchase all the bits and pieces, i.e., hydraulic tensioners, roller chains, etc. that Andrews lists with their kit as this kit only includes the billet plate and upgraded pump. Conversion cams would be required with this kit just as they are required for the Andrews kit.

 

yup!!

 

DJL is 100% correct. I did the conversion on my 2005 Deluxe. I used all the stock HD parts from the 2007-up 96 (as listed in the Andrews spec)with Andrews N conversion cams. The Andrews kit is no longer available (Option 1 above). HD shut them down.

I considered this to be the most complete and cost effective solution. The Hybrid kit (option 2 above) is better than stock, but only addresses half of the problem. It does allow you to keep stock or aftermarket TC88 cams.

I'm very happy with the conversion. I was going to change cams anyway and wanted to address all the issues while I was in there.

The parts cost through an online discount HD dealer was almost the same (not including the cost of the N cams). I think the late model conversion cost was about $30 more. I have a spreadsheet breaking it out if you are interested. Cost was about $430.

I did spend an additional $500 for HD tapered Adj. pushrods, inner cam bearings, N cams, Gaterman 1023 lifters, and the correct cam bearing tool for extraction/insertion. Total cost for the conversion was about $930. I did all the work and I don't consider it difficult as long as you are methodical.

Everything in the cam chest is upgraded and new, including the hi-flo oil pump. It runs quiet and I don't have to worry about anything for a very long time.

 

I rarely ever buy that overpriced, underengineered "Screamin' Eagle" junk!
It's pretty mediocre stuff for the most part and there are FAR better high performance products available.

I have 2 high mileage, high performance FXR's and a high performance '01 Dyna...None of the performance parts are "Screamin' Eagle" junk.

Do not allow dealership "HACK" mechanics to feed you B.S. about compatibility problems with aftermarket performance parts.

 

I agree with xwhyz1959!!!!!!