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Old Oct 16, 2023 | 09:19 AM
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^^ All Good info Above,,,
My concern is Battery Condition...If bad...It may Not take a Charge... I always look at Battery Condition First.. start with Digital Voltage at rest!!!!
Probably Not part of this Problem if she starts up good!!! But...a Thought
 

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Old Oct 16, 2023 | 06:49 PM
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For anyone who cares, it was the voltage regulator. Yes it was an amazon special while I waited for the CE regulator to come in. Thank you Dano523 for the tips. Checked for AC voltage out of the regulator and it was showing 1.2 AC out. For anyone keeping track that makes 3 regulators in less than 6 months. Hopefully the CE will make a difference. And yes I installed a volt gauge for peace of mind.
 
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Old Oct 16, 2023 | 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by GunnyMo
For anyone who cares, it was the voltage regulator. Yes it was an amazon special while I waited for the CE regulator to come in. Thank you Dano523 for the tips. Checked for AC voltage out of the regulator and it was showing 1.2 AC out. For anyone keeping track that makes 3 regulators in less than 6 months. Hopefully the CE will make a difference. And yes I installed a volt gauge for peace of mind.
In my little mind 3 reg's in that time points to a poor ground.
Do something extra if needed to solidify the ground for the reg.

Good luck

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Old Oct 16, 2023 | 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Racepres
^^ All Good info Above,,,
My concern is Battery Condition...If bad...It may Not take a Charge... I always look at Battery Condition First.. start with Digital Voltage at rest!!!!
Probably Not part of this Problem if she starts up good!!! But...a Thought
Take a charge, verses what voltage the VR is pushing to it, are kind of two different things.

But yes, if battery is not taking a charge, then VR will be working over time to try to have the battery come up to the 14,2v cap that is want to start shunting off the excess voltage/amperage at that point, and just burns the ZR quickly from the excess heat that the VR is now running at a constant instead.
So battery about dead, needs to be replaced, before the VR and stator just over heat killing themselves instead.

Also to point out, the older Harley charging system in general, are cave man period compared to the new systems.
Hence three phase, verses the two phase system of the past, more lower voltage out of the three phase system to start with, so don't have the get above 1200rpm hurdle to begin with. The second is the mosfet designs, isntead of the shunting design that just create a lot of heat. Is such upgrade needed for say basic bike that only has a few lights like say a DynA, no really so long as you replace the battery when it start to die, but if your dealing with touring machine where you have add on a lot of extra voltage requirements, have burn your stator and VR out, then upgrade the stator to three phase, and the VR to three phase mosfet design, while keeping an eye on the battery to replace it before it gives up the ghost/ will not longer take a full charge back up to new like conditions.

For me, will put the battery on a tender to bring it up to full charge/desulfate it every few months, and since my tender does show the fully charged voltage, can use that as a bench mark as well. New agm battery for the bikes, will charge up to around 13 volts before the tender kicks over to tending, and when the battery will only top out to say .4 volts less than that as the hold, it's time to replace the battery (or at least check it for a dry cell that can be resolved instead). Again, just a bench mark that I use, and could just cold crank test the charged battery to be sure if it time it replacement in the end as well.
 
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Old Oct 17, 2023 | 07:32 AM
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I agree with the two previous posts. Something may be amiss that your missing. Need to get a schematic in your hand and retrace all charging system cables, wires, grounds and battery. It may be just the cheap VR's, but it may pointing be something more (else)..,.
 
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Old Oct 17, 2023 | 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Dano523
For me, will put the battery on a tender to bring it up to full charge/desulfate it every few months, and since my tender does show the fully charged voltage, can use that as a bench mark as well. New agm battery for the bikes, will charge up to around 13 volts before the tender kicks over to tending, and when the battery will only top out to say .4 volts less than that as the hold, it's time to replace the battery (or at least check it for a dry cell that can be resolved instead). Again, just a bench mark that I use, and could just cold crank test the charged battery to be sure if it time it replacement in the end as well.

This is a bit off.. Most smart chargers charge with some max current to 14.4-14.7 volts, bulk charging. They may sit there for a few minutes, absorb mode, then go to float, 13.2-13.7V.

You can use a 5 amp smart charger without problems on these batteries. The thing is that they know to cut charge current as the battery goes over 14 volts.

My way of checking the charging system is to start with a fully charged battery and a meter across the battery.. Start the bike and hold the RPMs at 2000. Voltage will be down from cranking current but should be above say 12.6 volts (AGM) almost immediately and be climbing. It should reach over 14 in a couple minutes..

BTW, If the battery charges too quickly say under 30 seconds, it is likely bad.
 
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Old Oct 17, 2023 | 10:17 AM
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BTW, These are handy to have if you have the tender pigtail..

https://www.ebay.com/itm/204146856431
 
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Old Oct 18, 2023 | 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Max Headflow
BTW, These are handy to have if you have the tender pigtail..

https://www.ebay.com/itm/204146856431
Thank you Max but I opted for something a little more permanent.

 
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Old Oct 18, 2023 | 02:34 PM
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It’s not a brush charging system its an open magnet and it needs 2000 RPMs to show the output it’s going to charge at

a new battery could show more at idle then a couple year old battery
 
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Old Oct 18, 2023 | 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by GunnyMo
Thank you Max but I opted for something a little more permanent.
Are we to assume you got it all working like it should? I see 13.7 on the tank panel gauge. Nice job, looks great!


 
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