Wiseco 10:1 cr upgrade
I ask because I've been considering going with the Wiseco 10-1 pistons when I have to do a top-end job on Bertha this winter anyway, to fix her base gasket leak on the front cylinder. I'm also considering sending my heads out to Branch O'Keefe or somewhere for a total head job. Also am considering going with SE heads. What do you think is a good choice? Thanks.
I really think that having the heads tailored to your build specifically is much better, especially when you are using pistons from here, cam from there, etc.
Having said that, I am a big believer in head work. Not in hogging them out, but cleaning them up, and sorting out the little areas that lower velocity.
You could go a slightly larger inlet valve, but this is by no means a default, and I would not be surprised at all if your head porter of choice wanted to stick with the stock size. You can get good flow without changing.
Woods cams are pretty well known for good torque grinds. They are also well known for having a noisy action.
Leineweber also do good torque grinds, but again, more valve train noise. I have always liked the E5S, but usually with a 9.5:1 ratio as opposed to 10, but you could always retard the gear position(if needed).
I would talk to whoever you are going to go with as far as any head work goes.
I say this because they may well have a combo that they are familiar with, and that usually makes for a better result, rather than throwing a few parts at them, and hoping they can pull it all together.
I dothink around 550 max lift is a good marker in an evo.
You definitely want to aim for low end power.
I recall one engine that had....
ev 46 (under .500 bolt in as I recall)
wiseco 10:1
screaming eagle 8000 module
stock size valves, ports cleaned up(not much really)
cv with k&n
It went really well, but was a light bike(fxr)
easy wheel standing, burnouts a breeze(only a 130 rear, mind you)
There is one thing I am wondering.
There will be far greater pressure on the lower end as a result of any work of this type.
How many miles does the engine have on it currently? This might alter the approach a little.
I ask because I've been considering going with the Wiseco 10-1 pistons when I have to do a top-end job on Bertha this winter anyway, to fix her base gasket leak on the front cylinder. I'm also considering sending my heads out to Branch O'Keefe or somewhere for a total head job. Also am considering going with SE heads. What do you think is a good choice? Thanks.
On the other hand Head Quarters would do Bertha some justice, they could fix that top end right up for pistons and headwork along with an ignition, well that is if your really feeling the lust.Myself I'm good for another year before I get the lust bug.
Last edited by RidemyEVO; Sep 25, 2010 at 04:51 AM.
I really think that having the heads tailored to your build specifically is much better, especially when you are using pistons from here, cam from there, etc.
Having said that, I am a big believer in head work. Not in hogging them out, but cleaning them up, and sorting out the little areas that lower velocity.
You could go a slightly larger inlet valve, but this is by no means a default, and I would not be surprised at all if your head porter of choice wanted to stick with the stock size. You can get good flow without changing.
Woods cams are pretty well known for good torque grinds. They are also well known for having a noisy action.
Leineweber also do good torque grinds, but again, more valve train noise. I have always liked the E5S, but usually with a 9.5:1 ratio as opposed to 10, but you could always retard the gear position(if needed).
I would talk to whoever you are going to go with as far as any head work goes.
I say this because they may well have a combo that they are familiar with, and that usually makes for a better result, rather than throwing a few parts at them, and hoping they can pull it all together.
I dothink around 550 max lift is a good marker in an evo.
You definitely want to aim for low end power.
I recall one engine that had....
ev 46 (under .500 bolt in as I recall)
wiseco 10:1
screaming eagle 8000 module
stock size valves, ports cleaned up(not much really)
cv with k&n
It went really well, but was a light bike(fxr)
easy wheel standing, burnouts a breeze(only a 130 rear, mind you)
There is one thing I am wondering.
There will be far greater pressure on the lower end as a result of any work of this type.
How many miles does the engine have on it currently? This might alter the approach a little.
Bertha's engine has 45,000 miles on it. It's a 95, which I understand isn't as strong on the low end as 96-up Evos are - esp for big bore. I don't want to overstress the low end, and I'm not thinking big bore - just head work and compression. And yeah, 10-1 might be a bit much because I want her to retain decent street manners and don't want to have to rebuild her 20K miles down the road. I also don't really aggressive ramps on the cam.
I'm thinking 85-90 peak HP, and yeah - really good low end torque - would be about all I'd need to go for, because Bertha's quite heavy, and I don't like having to downshift all the time to keep the revs higher. That's one thing I don't really like about the V-Thunder EVL-3010 cam I have in her now - it likes higher revs to get the power. Seems like an EV-46, since it's made for lighter bikes like Dynas and FXRs, would concentrate the power band at an even higher RPM than I like... I really don't ever rev her much beyond 5000 RPM.
I've read on the Branch O-Keefe site about what they do for stock Evo heads with their #4 head build - reshaping the combustion chamber from the "D" shape into a bathtub shape, cleaning up the ports, polishing the entire chamber, installing new valves/guides/keepers. etc. They stick with stock size valve or a bit bigger on the exhaust, and get really good flow. Their #4 head job gives an 8.9 CR on an Evo with stock pistons, and can accommodate over .550 lift - but 8.9 CR sounds just a bit low, and I wouldn't want to go over .550 lift anyway. I've also looked at other builders, but not John Sachs... yet!
I will spend good money to get better performance, but I don't just want to throw this and that at it... I'd rather plan this out and hopefully get really good results by having all of the components working together to produce the performance I want - which is mostly under 5000 RPM. I'm not going to jump into this until I have a balanced plan for the the whole engine. I want an engine with excellent low-end torque that will last a long time.
Thanks for the input so far, guys. I'm sure I'll have more questions!
Or maybe I should just save my money for that awesome S&S 111" Touring engine they have out now... heh heh!
Cams that are designed to promote cranking pressure, and thereby increase low end power, can cause hard starting and tuning difficulties when the static comp ratio is too high.
If you email or call Andrews, they will tell you the optimum static comp ratio for any particular grind you may be favouring.
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Cams that are designed to promote cranking pressure, and thereby increase low end power, can cause hard starting and tuning difficulties when the static comp ratio is too high.
If you email or call Andrews, they will tell you the optimum static comp ratio for any particular grind you may be favouring.
I would buy "less gear", and reinstall the stock, unless there has been a failure, or extraordinarily high mileage.
The 326 is generally considered the equivalent of the 46.
A B138 bearing is a must.






