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Old Nov 10, 2011 | 08:19 PM
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ID RED is a fast evaporating cleaner /degreaser. I've used in the past to clean up some electrical components. Makes em nice and shiny.
 
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Old Nov 10, 2011 | 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by TwiZted Biker
I suspect a well placed reference to a kicker , I won't have a bike without one .
Pull the stator plug on the case set the meter to AC voltage start the bike , careful to not touch the cases test the two leads coming out of the case they will be 2 holes or studs can't recall your year off the top , you should be showing voltage up to 40 plus volts when revved a bit . It does the reg's bad it doesn't the stators cooked .

All this is in the MANUAL you should have . Do even with the battery tests ok
Bike wont start nor run if u pull the stater plug. Atleast on mine anyways. I pull my plug stator plug, motor dies. The charging and electrical system isnt like a car, it needs a completed circuit. And as far as the kicker reference goes, bike still wont start or run with a kicker because if battery is dead, and charging system is dead, how can it power the ignition? Unless u got a mag distrubutor, ur screwed.
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Old Nov 10, 2011 | 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by KingPinVinny
Bike wont start nor run if u pull the stater plug. Atleast on mine anyways. I pull my plug stator plug, motor dies. The charging and electrical system isnt like a car, it needs a completed circuit. And as far as the kicker reference goes, bike still wont start or run with a kicker because if battery is dead, and charging system is dead, how can it power the ignition? Unless u got a mag distrubutor, ur screwed.
Just my opinion.

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Did you happen to notice the posts that said to charge the battery first? And if it won't take a charge, replace it?
When you pull the stator plug, the engine is forced to run off of battery power.
If you disconnect the alternator on a car with a dead battery, it will die too.
BTW, a magneto and a distributor are two completely different animals.

Note to all: I learned the hard way that running a battery with one or more weak cells can cause the regulator and the stator to fry. Hopefully, none of you are as broke as I was while going to college back in '90. I knew my battery was going bad, but it was a few days till payday, the FLHT was my only transportation, and it was still starting, barely. Independent idiot that I am, I wouldn't borrow a few bucks for a battery, and blew the headlight, tail and running lights, stator, and regulator. Cost me a hell of a lot more than a battery would have. At least it didn't fry the ignition.
 
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Old Nov 10, 2011 | 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Panshovevo
Did you happen to notice the posts that said to charge the battery first? And if it won't take a charge, replace it?
When you pull the stator plug, the engine is forced to run off of battery power.
If you disconnect the alternator on a car with a dead battery, it will die too.
BTW, a magneto and a distributor are two completely different animals.

Note to all: I learned the hard way that running a battery with one or more weak cells can cause the regulator and the stator to fry. Hopefully, none of you are as broke as I was while going to college back in '90. I knew my battery was going bad, but it was a few days till payday, the FLHT was my only transportation, and it was still starting, barely. Independent idiot that I am, I wouldn't borrow a few bucks for a battery, and blew the headlight, tail and running lights, stator, and regulator. Cost me a hell of a lot more than a battery would have. At least it didn't fry the ignition.
Yes i did notice it, still doesnt change anything, my charging system is good and i have a good battery, i can go start my bike up right now and pull the stator plug and it will die, regardless if battery is charged. Even if i disconnect my battery while its running she will die even with a good charging system putting out 14.6v. As i said earlier the charging and electrical system is not like a car, of course u can disconnect the battery in a car and it will still run, but not on my flhtc, needs a complete circuit, make a break in the circuit and it dies. If need be i will make a short video to show u. As far as a mag and electronic/points distributors being different, of course they are, but a mag is a type of distributor even though they are mechanically different. Would u call a rotory engine not an engine because it doesnt have pistons? Still an engine.
 
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Old Nov 11, 2011 | 08:04 AM
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I don't know what year your bike is, but every Harley I have ever worked on, through 1996, you can pull the stator plug with a running engine, and it will continue to run. Disconnecting the battery is a different story, and I wouldn't attempt it, at the risk of voltage spikes damaging to the system. As I understand it, the regulator needs the battery in the system in order to function properly. See the note to above in my last post.
As far as cars, I would not attempt to disconnect the battery on a modern computer-controlled car while it was running...

Some magnetos use a distribution block to get the spark energy to different cylinders, but they are not called distributors. An engine is basically an air pump, but they are not called air pumps.
Sounds like I'm wasting time and energy here, so this is my last post on the subject.
 
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Old Nov 11, 2011 | 09:34 AM
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The manual says to disconnect the regulator plug, and with the engine running at 2,000 rpm, check the AC voltage output at the stator plug. I have done this on mine when my regulator went bad, and mine ran fine without the plug in. If yours won't run without the plug in, you have a problem somewhere.
 
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Old Nov 11, 2011 | 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by KingPinVinny
Yes i did notice it, still doesnt change anything, my charging system is good and i have a good battery, i can go start my bike up right now and pull the stator plug and it will die, regardless if battery is charged. Even if i disconnect my battery while its running she will die even with a good charging system putting out 14.6v. As i said earlier the charging and electrical system is not like a car, of course u can disconnect the battery in a car and it will still run, but not on my flhtc, needs a complete circuit, make a break in the circuit and it dies. If need be i will make a short video to show u. As far as a mag and electronic/points distributors being different, of course they are, but a mag is a type of distributor even though they are mechanically different. Would u call a rotory engine not an engine because it doesnt have pistons? Still an engine.
Curious what you have as well, I've tested bikes including my own 94 Ultra up to current models, all stator 'output' tests require the bike to be running...and they do.
 
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Old Nov 11, 2011 | 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by KingPinVinny
Bike wont start nor run if u pull the stater plug. Atleast on mine anyways. I pull my plug stator plug, motor dies. The charging and electrical system isnt like a car, it needs a completed circuit. And as far as the kicker reference goes, bike still wont start or run with a kicker because if battery is dead, and charging system is dead, how can it power the ignition? Unless u got a mag distrubutor, ur screwed.
Just my opinion.

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You have other issues then or the new electrical systems had an electronic interlock to keep people from frying things from running a long time with it unplugged because every bike I've worked including an 06 I checked not long ago will run fine with the stator unplugged .

The kicker and a dead battery ? Been there done that and couple 9v transistor batteries jumped into the system my bike kicks over just fine and I don't run a mag . Found that out after doing the bartender in Colorado Springs and leaving the key on all night long between her **** and the booze I was a bit preoccupied . Dyna S ignition and a kicker is a lovely combination doesn't take much .

PS been making a living turning wrenches since 17 not mention being a bike mechanic a good number of those years , no cherry here .
 
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Old Nov 11, 2011 | 11:32 AM
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Its a 84 flhtc. My buddies 86 does the same thing.
 
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Old Nov 11, 2011 | 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by KingPinVinny
Its a 84 flhtc. My buddies 86 does the same thing.
Pretty strange, because I actually rode my '85 FLHTC for a while with a bad stator (couldn't afford to replace it), same effect as pulling the plug. I just charged the battery every night, and kept my trips short.

Edited to add which did you try disconnecting first, the battery or the stator? Could possibly make a difference.
 

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