object in cylinder
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RE: object in cylinder
This may work or may not.
The straw is most likely too long, stiff and thick to wedge between cylinder wall and piston.
So, put bike on a jack.
Put transmission in gear, turn rear wheel by hand, and watch for piston to come up.
This will make it easier to see the tube.
You can try sticky tape or bubble gum.
But I would try, a wad of really good bearing grease on end of a probe(like maybe a LONG q-tip). It should provide enough adhesion to the tube to at least drag it into position to grab it with the metal pincers.
You won't hurt the cylnder walls or piston top doing this (done it on cars many times when I was an auto mechanic).
And if the worse should happen the grease falls off, it won't hurt a thing when the bike fires up. Wad of grease should be about size of a pea or raisin.
But it will take patience.
good luck
The straw is most likely too long, stiff and thick to wedge between cylinder wall and piston.
So, put bike on a jack.
Put transmission in gear, turn rear wheel by hand, and watch for piston to come up.
This will make it easier to see the tube.
You can try sticky tape or bubble gum.
But I would try, a wad of really good bearing grease on end of a probe(like maybe a LONG q-tip). It should provide enough adhesion to the tube to at least drag it into position to grab it with the metal pincers.
You won't hurt the cylnder walls or piston top doing this (done it on cars many times when I was an auto mechanic).
And if the worse should happen the grease falls off, it won't hurt a thing when the bike fires up. Wad of grease should be about size of a pea or raisin.
But it will take patience.
good luck
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RE: object in cylinder
Use the vac. You may have to get someone to tip the bike to make the straw move around a little.
If you've already turned the engine over there's no chance of using the vac to suck it out. Chances are, you nowhave a bent straw. You may be able to use this to your advantage (If the straw has the bend facing the plug hole.
Find a long slender piece of plastic rod (or something similar) you could heat up one end and fashion a small hook to fit into the plug hole. You should be able to carefully fish around till you hook the bend in the straw and pull it out. Last resort would be some thin soft metal rod.
I wouldn't recommend firing the engine up for reasons mentioned above. No sense in taking needles chances.
If you've already turned the engine over there's no chance of using the vac to suck it out. Chances are, you nowhave a bent straw. You may be able to use this to your advantage (If the straw has the bend facing the plug hole.
Find a long slender piece of plastic rod (or something similar) you could heat up one end and fashion a small hook to fit into the plug hole. You should be able to carefully fish around till you hook the bend in the straw and pull it out. Last resort would be some thin soft metal rod.
I wouldn't recommend firing the engine up for reasons mentioned above. No sense in taking needles chances.
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RE: object in cylinder
I have seen a small lighted camera on a probe that was used for looking into hard to reach places. Your local HD dealer might have one or a good garage that rebuilds performance motors. That way you could see what you need to remove it.
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RE: object in cylinder
Phew, sounds like my luck! But the vac thing sounds like the best way. Use one of those big craftsman vacs with the huge suction. You can seal the distance (size) between a smaller rubber hose by using duct tape on the end of the vac hoseand continually wrapping it down into a small opening that the smaller hose will stick to. I've done that to get the opening of the vac hose small enough to suck a line through electical pipes for wire pulling. If the vac is strong enough, and the smaller hose just is big enough to get into the spark plug hole, it seems the venturi effect would creat a big suction that should pull the object over to the hose and hold onto it. Man, good luck
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RE: object in cylinder
Still no luck,Tried the vaccum several times. My big 5 hp Shop Vac and brother's Oreck (the one lifts the bowling ball). With and Without hoses that fit around and inside the cylinder. Bought myself a little flashlight that fits inside plug hole and with mirror can see the straw. Was able to move it so I could get retracktable claws on it. But the hose is oily and the claws can't get it through the hole. Tried 2 sided tape on wood tick....too oily to stick. Gave up and went fishing last weekend...no luck there either.
Heading to store tonight to get longer hemostats. And bought another retractable claw set, 3rd ones, but slightly different. Going to try the hook idea. If I can get it to the top of the piston should be able to get a longer set of hemostats on it and pull it through.
Thanks for all the advice,will keep you guys posted. It is suppose to get to 2 degrees above freezing today so I figure I still got a few weeks to play with it before I am left up to pulling the head.
Heading to store tonight to get longer hemostats. And bought another retractable claw set, 3rd ones, but slightly different. Going to try the hook idea. If I can get it to the top of the piston should be able to get a longer set of hemostats on it and pull it through.
Thanks for all the advice,will keep you guys posted. It is suppose to get to 2 degrees above freezing today so I figure I still got a few weeks to play with it before I am left up to pulling the head.
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RE: object in cylinder
Bring it up to top dead center and use these:http://www.widgetsupply.com/page/WS/...rcep-alligator
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RE: object in cylinder
Well last night I rolled the bike forward in gearto bring the piston up. Was able to hook the tube with a piece of coated electrical wire to bring it close to the spark plug hole and used my hemostats to pull it through the plug hole. But it is only 3.75" long instead of the 5" it was when it went in. So I am guessing I cut it when I was using my retractable claws to try and pull it through.
So looks like I am going to be pulling the head now anyways. Probably posting another topic on that soon.
So looks like I am going to be pulling the head now anyways. Probably posting another topic on that soon.