race tuner or commander
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RE: race tuner or commander
I think the first question is... how often do you think you will make performance mods to your bike.
The second question is... what qualified dealers with dyno's are there in my area and which product do they support/sell.
The third quesiton is dependent upon how you answered the first. If you are going to make mods often (once a year, maybe) then you will need a new dyno run each time you make a mod. You need to then find out what each dyno tuner that you would use will charge for a full custom map dyno.
If you aren't going to make many changes, a PCIII is cheaper, assuming that there is someone in your area that will create a custom map (canned maps aren't that great from my experience).
If you want to do a lot yourself, then I would consider getting a Thundermax and and their add on 02 sensor monitor. The you only have to get close and you can take test drives and log the results and fine tune the bike to your own riding style. You can also count on O2 sensors making adjustments to your A/F mixture based upon temp. and altitude.
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The second question is... what qualified dealers with dyno's are there in my area and which product do they support/sell.
The third quesiton is dependent upon how you answered the first. If you are going to make mods often (once a year, maybe) then you will need a new dyno run each time you make a mod. You need to then find out what each dyno tuner that you would use will charge for a full custom map dyno.
If you aren't going to make many changes, a PCIII is cheaper, assuming that there is someone in your area that will create a custom map (canned maps aren't that great from my experience).
If you want to do a lot yourself, then I would consider getting a Thundermax and and their add on 02 sensor monitor. The you only have to get close and you can take test drives and log the results and fine tune the bike to your own riding style. You can also count on O2 sensors making adjustments to your A/F mixture based upon temp. and altitude.
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RE: race tuner or commander
I will be making mods as my budget will allow. I probably will add pipes and ac and so forth. I was looking for something that I could put a canned map in to not hurt any parts until I was through and then have a custom map built. I was weary of the commander because it by passes the 02 circuit. The dealer here supports the hrt but of course wants to do all the work, which cuts futher into my budget.
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From: Lansdale, PA (USA)
RE: race tuner or commander
I had the PC but now have the race tuner on my 2003 Road King. The race tuner performs better. I did have issues with the PC (engine cutting out for example) so I am happy with the race tuner.
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RE: race tuner or commander
I use the commander and am real happy with it and the tuneability. Not to mention the support available from the manufacturer, other users, or fuel moto.
ORIGINAL: sugarbear
Has anyone worked with the Harley Race tuner? Is it as user friendly as the power commander? What are the pro's and con's of each? Thanks in advance for the help.
Has anyone worked with the Harley Race tuner? Is it as user friendly as the power commander? What are the pro's and con's of each? Thanks in advance for the help.
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RE: race tuner or commander
Got this from another thread:
The SERT works great with the 07s. It usesthe O2 sensors. Since better than 90% of your riding will be inclosed loop with the O2 sensors controlling the fuel management it is a definiteplus. Anyone that tells you different does not know EFI tuning orare selling an outdated product that cannot interface with the O2 sensors. Instead of investing in the newest technology they will feed you someBS line to better their outdatedproduct.SERT is great for the DYI and can be used by anyone who has some basic tuning knowledge. No dealer or dyno required. It isthe mostflexible and Complete EFI tuning product out there. It can grow as your bike progresses.
The two biggest drawbacks to SERT are. It costmore and it is married to one bike. If you plan on selling you ride in the near futureand returning the bike to stock this is something you need to know. OtherwiseI would highly recommend it. A good Air Cleaner,Exhaust and a Laptop you can down loada Stage 1 Map in your garage and your good to go. (Since your still using the O2 sensors no need for an exact match). Ifdown the roadyou sink some serious coininto your motor you can take it to a professional and have it dyno tuned and get the mostout of your hard earned cash.
Ride safe,
The SERT works great with the 07s. It usesthe O2 sensors. Since better than 90% of your riding will be inclosed loop with the O2 sensors controlling the fuel management it is a definiteplus. Anyone that tells you different does not know EFI tuning orare selling an outdated product that cannot interface with the O2 sensors. Instead of investing in the newest technology they will feed you someBS line to better their outdatedproduct.SERT is great for the DYI and can be used by anyone who has some basic tuning knowledge. No dealer or dyno required. It isthe mostflexible and Complete EFI tuning product out there. It can grow as your bike progresses.
The two biggest drawbacks to SERT are. It costmore and it is married to one bike. If you plan on selling you ride in the near futureand returning the bike to stock this is something you need to know. OtherwiseI would highly recommend it. A good Air Cleaner,Exhaust and a Laptop you can down loada Stage 1 Map in your garage and your good to go. (Since your still using the O2 sensors no need for an exact match). Ifdown the roadyou sink some serious coininto your motor you can take it to a professional and have it dyno tuned and get the mostout of your hard earned cash.
Ride safe,
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RE: race tuner or commander
IMHO, the notion that the SERT is "married" to the bike and is, therefore, less desirable than a PCIII is bogus. Consider, you are going to sell your PCIII equipped bike; you get a buyer interested in the bike; he likes the way it runs (because you had the PCIII tune professionally). Are you going to pull the PCIII off the bike and have a poor running bike because the ECM hasn't been recalibrated for the high flow air cleaner, the pipes, etc. (let alone a 95" kit, cams, etc.) and try to deliver this to the buyer? I doubt that many PCIII buyers pull the unit off the bike because it will leave the bike running poorly or run the risk of the buyer burning a valve or piston due to a super lean condition without the PCIII. JMHO.
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Road Warrior
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RE: race tuner or commander
My last 3 bikes were taken to the dealer to be sold on consignment. I removed the PCIII, pipes, a/c and restored the bike to its stock position. Used the PCIII on my next bike. You can't do this with the SERT.
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RE: race tuner or commander
ORIGINAL: Harleypingman
IMHO, the notion that the SERT is "married" to the bike and is, therefore, less desirable than a PCIII is bogus. Consider, you are going to sell your PCIII equipped bike; you get a buyer interested in the bike; he likes the way it runs (because you had the PCIII tune professionally). Are you going to pull the PCIII off the bike and have a poor running bike because the ECM hasn't been recalibrated for the high flow air cleaner, the pipes, etc. (let alone a 95" kit, cams, etc.) and try to deliver this to the buyer? I doubt that many PCIII buyers pull the unit off the bike because it will leave the bike running poorly or run the risk of the buyer burning a valve or piston due to a super lean condition without the PCIII. JMHO.
IMHO, the notion that the SERT is "married" to the bike and is, therefore, less desirable than a PCIII is bogus. Consider, you are going to sell your PCIII equipped bike; you get a buyer interested in the bike; he likes the way it runs (because you had the PCIII tune professionally). Are you going to pull the PCIII off the bike and have a poor running bike because the ECM hasn't been recalibrated for the high flow air cleaner, the pipes, etc. (let alone a 95" kit, cams, etc.) and try to deliver this to the buyer? I doubt that many PCIII buyers pull the unit off the bike because it will leave the bike running poorly or run the risk of the buyer burning a valve or piston due to a super lean condition without the PCIII. JMHO.