General Harley Davidson Chat Forum to discuss general Harley Davidson issues, topics, and experiences.
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Feds Sue HD Over SE Tuner

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Aug 18, 2016 | 11:06 AM
  #11  
LeoGast's Avatar
LeoGast
Cruiser
Joined: Jul 2014
Posts: 178
Likes: 45
From: Coalmont, TN
Default

Originally Posted by Gunnysgt
Doubt it will go anywhere, Harley makes it quite clear in their advertising that it's for off road racing use only. They can not control what the end user does with it. It would be different if Harley touted it as a beat the emissions product.
Um it just did... Harley has agreed to stop selling "emissions defeat devices", pay a $12 million settlement AND "buy back and destroy aftermarket engine tuners that the U.S. called emissions-control defeat devices"

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...defeat-devices

Ba$tards at the EPA.....
 

Last edited by LeoGast; Aug 18, 2016 at 11:08 AM.
Reply
Old Aug 18, 2016 | 11:21 AM
  #12  
NORTY FLATZ's Avatar
NORTY FLATZ
Seasoned HDF Member
Photogenic
Shutterbug
Liked
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 15,967
Likes: 7,069
From: Sandy Eggo's North County
Default

Originally Posted by Nomadmax

The EPA doesn't know what jets I have in my carb
As long as HD passes their emissions test, they won't care.
 
Reply
Old Aug 18, 2016 | 11:23 AM
  #13  
hvacgaspiping's Avatar
hvacgaspiping
Seasoned HDF Member
Veteran: Navy
10 Year Member
Liked
Community Favorite
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 32,851
Likes: 17,886
From: Newcastle, OK
Default

Originally Posted by tppilot
This just out today:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...defeat-devices

In the spirit of the VW Diesel debacle..............Drill down enough and you'll find that there are do-gooders who hack into vehicle ECU's to verify that they're compliant with emissions standards. That's how the VW issue came to light.

I wonder if they target motorcycle tuners, and if so, who's next? The good folks at Power Commander might want to dust off their resumes.
404 error. Article no longer exists.....
 
Reply
Old Aug 18, 2016 | 11:24 AM
  #14  
warprints's Avatar
warprints
Road Warrior
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 1,785
Likes: 189
From: Louisiana
Default

I expect that all of you out there running performance enhancers on your bikes, and not using them for competition only, will dutifully remove the enhancers and destroy them.
 
Reply
Old Aug 18, 2016 | 11:25 AM
  #15  
upflying's Avatar
upflying
Seasoned HDF Member
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Aug 2013
Posts: 35,774
Likes: 38,460
From: Post Falls, ID
Default

Originally Posted by Gunnysgt
Doubt it will go anywhere, Harley makes it quite clear in their advertising that it's for off road racing use only. They can not control what the end user does with it. It would be different if Harley touted it as a beat the emissions product.
But how many baggers are ridden off road?
 
Reply
Old Aug 18, 2016 | 11:28 AM
  #16  
hvacgaspiping's Avatar
hvacgaspiping
Seasoned HDF Member
Veteran: Navy
10 Year Member
Liked
Community Favorite
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 32,851
Likes: 17,886
From: Newcastle, OK
Default

Since the success of that lawsuit against Harley, the next step of the EPA will be to go after all of the aftermarket companies which produce tuners, pipes, etal. Get ready. It`s coming.....
 
Reply
Old Aug 18, 2016 | 11:29 AM
  #17  
Notgrownup's Avatar
Notgrownup
Seasoned HDF Member
15 Year Member
Loved
Top Answer: 1
Top Answer: 3
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 24,682
Likes: 9,162
From: Snow Hill, NC
Default

Maybe they saw it coming hence the Milwaukee 8 motor...
 
Reply
Old Aug 18, 2016 | 11:34 AM
  #18  
DynaKid94's Avatar
DynaKid94
Road Warrior
10 Year Member
Shutterbug
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 1,481
Likes: 591
From: Orange County, CA
Default

Thank god our gov't is protecting us from those super-duper-scary tuners. Guess I should go remove my Cobra tuner, Supertrapp in the name of emissions
 
Reply
HD Forum Stories

The Best of Harley-Davidson for Lifelong Riders

story-0

7 Surprising Harley-Davidson Products that Are Not Motorcycles

 Verdad Gallardo
story-1

8 Best Harley-Davidson Motorcycles Ever

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-2

10 Worst Harley-Davidson Motorcycles Ever

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-3

Killer Custom's Jail Break Is The Breakout That Refused to Blend In

 Verdad Gallardo
story-4

Crazy Bunderbike Build Looks Amazing, But Is It Impossible to Ride?

 Verdad Gallardo
story-5

Harley-Davidson Reveals Super Cool Cafe Racer Concept

 Verdad Gallardo
story-6

Engraved Rebellion: Inside Bundnerbike's Glam Rock II

 Verdad Gallardo
story-7

10 Motorcycles You Should Never Buy

 Joe Kucinski
story-8

10 Things Harley-Davidson Needs to Fix in 2026

 Verdad Gallardo
story-9

Southpaw Super Glide: A Left-Hand-Drive 1979 Harley FXE Built to Fit the Rider

 Verdad Gallardo
Old Aug 18, 2016 | 11:42 AM
  #19  
SpockJenkins's Avatar
SpockJenkins
Tourer
Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 314
Likes: 314
From: Alabama
Default

And, like most "environmental justce warriors" these regulators probably rack up 1000's of frequent flyer miles on emission control free jet aircraft.
 
Reply
Old Aug 18, 2016 | 11:43 AM
  #20  
TStephen's Avatar
TStephen
Road Warrior
Joined: Mar 2016
Posts: 1,713
Likes: 299
From: SC
Default

Originally Posted by hvacgaspiping
Since the success of that lawsuit against Harley, the next step of the EPA will be to go after all of the aftermarket companies which produce tuners, pipes, etal. Get ready. It`s coming.....
^^^THIS^^^

Our non-elected bureaucracy in action. Using our money to sue, harass, oppress and bully us.
 
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:36 PM.

story-0
7 Surprising Harley-Davidson Products that Are Not Motorcycles

Slideshow: The bar-and-shield logo shows up on far more than motorcycles, some of the company's most unexpected products have nothing to do with riding.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-29 16:50:35


VIEW MORE
story-1
8 Best Harley-Davidson Motorcycles Ever

Slideshow: Not every Harley gets it right, but these are the ones that genuinely earned their reputation.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-04-15 14:23:21


VIEW MORE
story-2
10 Worst Harley-Davidson Motorcycles Ever

Slideshow: From the troubled AMF years to modern misfires, these bikes earned reputations for reliability issues, questionable engineering, or disappointing performance.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-04-01 20:01:09


VIEW MORE
story-3
Killer Custom's Jail Break Is The Breakout That Refused to Blend In

Slideshow: Killer Custom's "Jail Breaker" build focuses more on stance and visual aggression than mechanical overhaul.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-18 19:20:32


VIEW MORE
story-4
Crazy Bunderbike Build Looks Amazing, But Is It Impossible to Ride?

Slideshow: The Swiss custom shop has taken a Harley Softail and stretched it into something so long and low that it looks closer to a rolling sculpture than a conventional motorcycle.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-07 16:15:30


VIEW MORE
story-5
Harley-Davidson Reveals Super Cool Cafe Racer Concept

Slideshow: Harley-Davidson's new RMCR concept revives the café racer formula with modern hardware-and it may be exactly the reset the company needs.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-04 12:23:37


VIEW MORE
story-6
Engraved Rebellion: Inside Bundnerbike's Glam Rock II

Slideshow: A standard cruiser becomes an intricate metal canvas in the hands of a Swiss custom house known for pushing Harley-Davidson platforms far beyond their factory brief.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-02-24 18:19:44


VIEW MORE
story-7
10 Motorcycles You Should Never Buy

Slideshow: There is no shortage of great motorcycles to buy, but we would avoid these ten.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-02-19 14:50:51


VIEW MORE
story-8
10 Things Harley-Davidson Needs to Fix in 2026

Slideshow: Harley-Davidson's challenges aren't abstract; they show up in dropping shipments, shrinking dealer traffic, and strategic decisions that aren't yet translating into growth.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-01-13 18:33:17


VIEW MORE
story-9
Southpaw Super Glide: A Left-Hand-Drive 1979 Harley FXE Built to Fit the Rider

Slideshow: Graeme Billington's left-hand-drive Shovelhead is as much about problem-solving as it is about classic Harley form.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2025-12-30 11:27:08


VIEW MORE