Harley or Indian
Road Captain
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From: Raleigh NC
Thank you all for your input. For those of you who think Harley is the only bike well let me educate you. You should all be thanking Indian for entering the market because without Indian or any other competition you wouldn't of had the Rushmore project. Competition is what makes you better. Without this you would be driving the same old Harley you drove for years. There would be no need for them to make improvements without competition so you better hope Indian stays around so we have competition between the two MOCO to build a better bike to get our business.
Just a little lesson in economics for those who are mentally challenged.
I look forward to enjoying my Harley and Indian this year.
Just a little lesson in economics for those who are mentally challenged.
I look forward to enjoying my Harley and Indian this year.
Tourer
Joined: Mar 2016
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From: Big Lake in the Middle
Rushmore was likely in process before Polaris even bought Indian and definitely before they came out with the Thunderstroke.
Rushmore came out the same year the Thunderstroke did. I find it hard to believe HD has clairvoyants on staff so......
Rushmore came out the same year the Thunderstroke did. I find it hard to believe HD has clairvoyants on staff so......
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Novice
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From: Ma
You know that Indian had this is the works well before 2014 and HD knew about it. Like any other industry you know what your competition is doing. If you don't your not doing your job and will be left behind.
Can you list for me all the innovative thing HD did prior to 2014. Nothing they produced basically the same bike year after year. Not anymore, competition dictates otherwise. Lets be thankful.
Road Captain
Joined: Nov 2009
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From: Raleigh NC
get your head out of the sand. It's called competition research. Silly to suggest anything else. Harley changed at a snail pace prior to Indian and others setting the standard. just common sense brutha. This and the fact that the Harley buying demographic is dying off makes industry move forward. All the auto companies know what next years models and features basically look like. Same thing.
Seasoned HDF Member
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From: North of Hell, South of Heaven
The best thing that can happen to us consumers of everything Harley is for Indian to stay in business. The MoCo may lose some market share, but the competition will produce better bikes.
Road Warrior
Joined: May 2013
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From: North Dakota & Minnesota
What ever you believe. So you think having competition is a bad thing??
You know that Indian had this is the works well before 2014 and HD knew about it. Like any other industry you know what your competition is doing. If you don't your not doing your job and will be left behind.
Can you list for me all the innovative thing HD did prior to 2014. Nothing they produced basically the same bike year after year. Not anymore, competition dictates otherwise. Lets be thankful.
You know that Indian had this is the works well before 2014 and HD knew about it. Like any other industry you know what your competition is doing. If you don't your not doing your job and will be left behind.
Can you list for me all the innovative thing HD did prior to 2014. Nothing they produced basically the same bike year after year. Not anymore, competition dictates otherwise. Lets be thankful.
Well to start with:
How about the new Touring Frame in 2009
103 engine in 2010 (standard models)
96' engine in 2007
6 Speed Transmission in 2007
Throttle by wire in 2008 (i believe)
Changes to helicut 6th speed gear in 2010
I agree that competition is good for Harley-Davidson but to make the assumption that we will all be seeing nothing but 2004 Harley-Davidsons if it weren't for Indian is ridiculous.
Tourer
Joined: Mar 2016
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From: Big Lake in the Middle
get your head out of the sand. It's called competition research. Silly to suggest anything else. Harley changed at a snail pace prior to Indian and others setting the standard. just common sense brutha. This and the fact that the Harley buying demographic is dying off makes industry move forward. All the auto companies know what next years models and features basically look like. Same thing.
Again - Indian may be nudging HD now but they didn't create the HD we've seen since 2011.
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From: Ma
Well to start with:
How about the new Touring Frame in 2009
103 engine in 2010 (standard models)
96' engine in 2007
6 Speed Transmission in 2007
Throttle by wire in 2008 (i believe)
Changes to helicut 6th speed gear in 2010
I agree that competition is good for Harley-Davidson but to make the assumption that we will all be seeing nothing but 2004 Harley-Davidsons if it weren't for Indian is ridiculous.
How about the new Touring Frame in 2009
103 engine in 2010 (standard models)
96' engine in 2007
6 Speed Transmission in 2007
Throttle by wire in 2008 (i believe)
Changes to helicut 6th speed gear in 2010
I agree that competition is good for Harley-Davidson but to make the assumption that we will all be seeing nothing but 2004 Harley-Davidsons if it weren't for Indian is ridiculous.
But the 107 is new.
As far as the other changes there are minor. I took them 20 years to do that.
We need the competition.
Road Warrior
Joined: May 2013
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From: North Dakota & Minnesota
When Victory launched you didn't see an increase in innovation from Harley. HD is more about evolution than revolution. The M8 was probably on the drawing boards way before the Indian launch or should i say relaunch 3.0. HD comes out with a new motor every 15 years or so. The 107 didn't happen because of Indian.
Oh, that 09' Touring frame ain't a minor change. Let's get real already.
I am hoping for Indian to do well though. It serves us HD riders just fine.