pulled over for non DOT helmet...
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Road Warrior
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RE: pulled over for non DOT helmet...
ORIGINAL: anubisss
I had the same thing happen to me last year. I was not speeding or breaking any other law. I took the ticket to court and fought it, and lo and behold the Motorcycle officer who wrote me ticket and rode a Harley did not show up so it was dismissed. I did however get myself an ACC DOT helmet as I do not want this to happen again. Aside from the issue of having the state decide what is good for me, I do not want to have the same thing happen again. I had never heard of anyone getting a ticket for this before another member did recently. My ticket was not a fix it ticket.
That being said, I suffered a closed head injury of multiple hematomas and a diffusaxonal inury (when the skull gets shaken as in shaken baby syndrome and rips nerves all over the skull)several years ago from an un motorcycle related incident. I have changed my perspective on this incident from "the man" being a azz to god trying to help me out and be certain that I would never have to go to the hospital and wake up from a coma from a head injury again. This helps quite a bit as waking up from a coma in a hospital after serious head injuries is one of the most unpleasant experiences I have ever had. Sometimes I have to change my thinking to meet the needs of the situation, not the other way around. And know this, I am hard headed. It takes a long time for me to wrap my brain around issues like this, but being on the other side, i have. Good luck, and take care.
I had the same thing happen to me last year. I was not speeding or breaking any other law. I took the ticket to court and fought it, and lo and behold the Motorcycle officer who wrote me ticket and rode a Harley did not show up so it was dismissed. I did however get myself an ACC DOT helmet as I do not want this to happen again. Aside from the issue of having the state decide what is good for me, I do not want to have the same thing happen again. I had never heard of anyone getting a ticket for this before another member did recently. My ticket was not a fix it ticket.
That being said, I suffered a closed head injury of multiple hematomas and a diffusaxonal inury (when the skull gets shaken as in shaken baby syndrome and rips nerves all over the skull)several years ago from an un motorcycle related incident. I have changed my perspective on this incident from "the man" being a azz to god trying to help me out and be certain that I would never have to go to the hospital and wake up from a coma from a head injury again. This helps quite a bit as waking up from a coma in a hospital after serious head injuries is one of the most unpleasant experiences I have ever had. Sometimes I have to change my thinking to meet the needs of the situation, not the other way around. And know this, I am hard headed. It takes a long time for me to wrap my brain around issues like this, but being on the other side, i have. Good luck, and take care.
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RE: pulled over for non DOT helmet...
ORIGINAL: TxHarleyGuy2007
And I'm sure he, likewise, would consider himself fortunate that you are not his father. Respectfully stated in turn.
ORIGINAL: zombie
Man, I'd hate to be your kid...
Man, I'd hate to be your kid...
I’m gonna go ahead and say it and let the cards fall where they may. Your self-righteous attitude and condescending nature are repulsive. The holier-than-thou manner in which you approach other members is truly tasteless. The disdain that you show others is disgusting, with comments like:
you're no different than any of those other scumbags out there who feel the laws don't apply to them.
I have absolutely no respect for your judgmental comments as it’s obvious that you have no respect towards others that fail to fit into your exclusive view of what you deem appropriate. How arrogant can you really be?
Do find it amusing however, that based on your original post; you’d hold the founding fathers and patriots in the same contempt simply because they bucked the system…some other scumbags that felt like the laws didn’t apply to them.
Now it’s my turn, you’re no different than any of those other indignant idiots who feel that they’re somehow superior to everyone else.
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RE: pulled over for non DOT helmet...
the officer stated that he noticed the fit of the helmet and thats why he pulled me over because it looked to form fitting to be DOT as there wasnt enough bulk around it to signify extra padding. He actually said that if he wanted to be a dik he could have written me a ticket the same as not wearing a helmet and have my bike impounded because it would be considered an unsafe vehicle. Now that sounded like crap to my ears!
Jackyl , i had no idea that St. clair shores was like that, i just never cruised down lake shore drive an jus went an figured i could eat a a chill spot on the lake. I kinda thought that maybe my appearence had somethting to do with it, blacked out bike with sleeved tatted rider in very conservative part of town. hmmmm iono. ive heard that theyare notorious for pulling over any black people driving that strip as well. All i did was act as pleasent as i could without kissing a$$ and all i got was a fix it ticket and *** that side of town.
Jackyl , i had no idea that St. clair shores was like that, i just never cruised down lake shore drive an jus went an figured i could eat a a chill spot on the lake. I kinda thought that maybe my appearence had somethting to do with it, blacked out bike with sleeved tatted rider in very conservative part of town. hmmmm iono. ive heard that theyare notorious for pulling over any black people driving that strip as well. All i did was act as pleasent as i could without kissing a$$ and all i got was a fix it ticket and *** that side of town.
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RE: pulled over for non DOT helmet...
ORIGINAL: ladodgerdog
You legally cannot be pulled over just for a non-DOT helmet. There is no visual conformation to weather your helmet is DOT or non-DOT. If you are pulled over, for any reason, do not take off your helmet. The officer needs a warrant. If you take off your helmet or you agree that your helmet is not an approved DOT helmet, then he/she can write you a ticket.
You legally cannot be pulled over just for a non-DOT helmet. There is no visual conformation to weather your helmet is DOT or non-DOT. If you are pulled over, for any reason, do not take off your helmet. The officer needs a warrant. If you take off your helmet or you agree that your helmet is not an approved DOT helmet, then he/she can write you a ticket.
If you are required to show a D/L, registration, insurance and that your helmet is dot approved, then you are required to show those things. Just my opinion. Refusing to do so would (again, in my opinion) be interfering in an investigation.
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RE: pulled over for non DOT helmet...
ORIGINAL: New2Harley
That makes as much sense as saying that a cop needs a warrant to see your insurance card.
If you are required to show a D/L, registration, insurance and that your helmet is dot approved, then you are required to show those things. Just my opinion. Refusing to do so would (again, in my opinion) be interfering in an investigation.
ORIGINAL: ladodgerdog
You legally cannot be pulled over just for a non-DOT helmet. There is no visual conformation to weather your helmet is DOT or non-DOT. If you are pulled over, for any reason, do not take off your helmet. The officer needs a warrant. If you take off your helmet or you agree that your helmet is not an approved DOT helmet, then he/she can write you a ticket.
You legally cannot be pulled over just for a non-DOT helmet. There is no visual conformation to weather your helmet is DOT or non-DOT. If you are pulled over, for any reason, do not take off your helmet. The officer needs a warrant. If you take off your helmet or you agree that your helmet is not an approved DOT helmet, then he/she can write you a ticket.
If you are required to show a D/L, registration, insurance and that your helmet is dot approved, then you are required to show those things. Just my opinion. Refusing to do so would (again, in my opinion) be interfering in an investigation.
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RE: pulled over for non DOT helmet...
Tx, I was dismayed to read your post. I guess I am one of the 'scumbags' you refer to. I would urge you to understand the difference between the various 'laws' we have in our democracy. The helmet and seatbelt laws are paternalistic rules, the violation of which entail a financial penalty. There is no rational argument to be made -indeed, thesupporters of suchlawsthemselves do not attempt one, that an individual is morally deficient when violating paternalistic statutes. There are numerous states with equivalent laws regarding many sexual activities that the average person does once or more per day. And, may I further suggest, that the helmet and seatbelt laws are mere forerunners of laws that will penalize you for a high BMI, or for failing to wash your hands after using the toilet. Look, Tx, it is high time that we learn to avoid the road to totalitarianism. Those who believe that they are holier-than-thou, will, in the end, find out that these laws brought down the Republic. But then it will be too late.
Also, to those who glue on a DOT sticker: please be careful. There are states and localities where that could bring a much worse cause of action against you. Do Not Do That! Instead, obtain a helmet which you like in an XXS size. Gut it out. If stopped, do not remove your helment. Take the ticket without speaking a word. Then argue it by mail and include a photo of your helmet and your purchase receipt. The ticket should be dismissed -if the court follows its own laws!
Finally, this country came about via defiance of laws that involved no moral depravity. That is also the secret as to why our Republic has survived as a democracy. Please try to hold on to it.
Also, to those who glue on a DOT sticker: please be careful. There are states and localities where that could bring a much worse cause of action against you. Do Not Do That! Instead, obtain a helmet which you like in an XXS size. Gut it out. If stopped, do not remove your helment. Take the ticket without speaking a word. Then argue it by mail and include a photo of your helmet and your purchase receipt. The ticket should be dismissed -if the court follows its own laws!
Finally, this country came about via defiance of laws that involved no moral depravity. That is also the secret as to why our Republic has survived as a democracy. Please try to hold on to it.
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RE: pulled over for non DOT helmet...
And for those believe the helment and seatbelt laws are 'for one's own good', perhaps you also have an opinion on some lesser well-known laws 'for one's own good':
http://crazytopics.blogspot.com/2007...n-america.html
http://crazytopics.blogspot.com/2007...n-america.html
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RE: pulled over for non DOT helmet...
ORIGINAL: JLHOG
I heard MI was starting to crack down on non DOT helmets. I bought a DOT sticker to put on my helmet and will not take the helmet off so they can inspect it. Look at it from the outside and make your call.
I heard MI was starting to crack down on non DOT helmets. I bought a DOT sticker to put on my helmet and will not take the helmet off so they can inspect it. Look at it from the outside and make your call.
Now having said that, there is nothing wrong with being respectful and cooperating with Law Enforcement. That doens't mean you have to hand yourself over on a silver platter for them.
Just be respectful and there shouldn't be a problem. Shouldn't being the key word in that sentence.