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Old May 13, 2018 | 07:53 PM
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I see so many posts where folks are paying the dealer to wrench on their bikes (Stage 1, 2, pipes/carb adjust, etc.).

The parts are expensive enough, why do so many people pay the dealer?
 
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I think back to what it was like 50 or so years ago. To ride meant you were forced by necessity to be competent in the maintenance of your machine. Until the Japanese got into the game in the 70's, every motorcycle out there was mechanically unsound and needed continuous attention.

Plus the machines were simple enough that a man with a halfway decent assortment of basic hand tools could perform any operation necessary in his garage. For guys riding HD's, almost everything on the bike was rider-serviceable. Add a hydraulic press to your garage, and you could almost do everything.

Today's machines are fundamentally different. When you roll a new bike off the lot, you expect it to operate more or less flawlessly for 100k miles. And if you don't **** it up, it probably will.

"Wrenching" doesn't mean what it used to mean.

Time was, "wrenching" meant something like solving a no-start problem, curing some horrible mechanical noise inside the motor, or repairing a catastrophic failure. Today, "wrenching" means bolting on some pipes or other doodads, or maybe changing fluids or brake pads. Go out to your garage, press the button, and your 2018 turns over vigorously but doesn't start? Good luck. Tow it to the dealer and plug it into the computer, identify the gizmo no longer holding it's smoke, replace, and on your way.

Its a totally different world. For the most part, the same digital technology that makes contemporary bikes so complex has also been used to deliver precision in manufacturing unheard of a couple of generations ago. Every new engine in every new vehicle sold in 2018 comes "balanced and blueprinted" from the factory to a level that the most competent hotrod shop circa 1963 could only dream of. Not to mention the dramatic improvements in metallurgy over the same time frame. Getting 100k miles out of a car used to really be something. Today, anything less than 250k (and without EVER doing any internal engine work) is a disappointment.

I don't have a new bike, but if I did, I doubt I'd ever lay a wrench to it. Maybe change the fluids. But that's it.

What's the point?

There seems to be a longing for the old-school ways, but today's bikes don't require it. Push the button and go.
 
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I'm guessing it's because those folks are not mechanically inclined or not in good enough physical condition to wrench on their motorcycle. For me wrenching on a bike is an important part of the motorcycle experience.
 
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Not everybody likes to wrench on their bikes or do not have the time, or even the skills to do it. I have some things I will not do to my bike for a multitude of reasons. I never begrudge anyone for not working on their ride since we all have our passions. My wife will wrench on her bike, but many of her friends do not.
 
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Old May 13, 2018 | 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by zen1300
I see so many posts where folks are paying the dealer to wrench on their bikes (Stage 1, 2, pipes/carb adjust, etc.).
The parts are expensive enough, why do so many people pay the dealer?
Believe it or not,, there are harley owners,, that are members here,, that don't own tools.
Keep reading friend.
 
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Old May 13, 2018 | 08:09 PM
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I'm guessing it's because those folks are not mechanically inclined or not in good enough physical condition to wrench on their motorcycle. For me wrenching on a bike is an important part of the motorcycle experience.
That. Besides, some people have more time than money, and others have more money than time. Me, I have the tools, a fair amount of wrenching experience, and have the money to pay a dealer, but sometimes, I just can't be bothered.
 
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Prof Rene,

Don't get me wrong... not begrudging... I was curious more about if there were specific issues with Harleys.

I had a Sportster before and didn't do much to it. I had a Honda VTX and there was a large forum of people modifying - I took it apart completely and completely customized it - learned to wrench on it. I just don't see the same level of mod help as I did with the VTX. Maybe Harleys just don't need the same level of modding.

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That. Besides, some people have more time than money, and others have more money than time. Me, I have the tools, a fair amount of wrenching experience, and have the money to pay a dealer, but sometimes, I just can't be bothered.

Yes, this I get... I'm with you.
 

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Old May 13, 2018 | 08:17 PM
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I have a LONG line of wrenching......all the way back to first mini bike at the age of 10.........worked on all my cars and bikes thru the years........find it just as enjoyable as riding during the winter.......like already stated......some dont have that kind of experience, not the confidence to delve into wrenching.......some would rather ride than wrench.......some dont have the aptitude for mechanicals......

Million reasons TO do it......Million reasons NOT to do it!!
 
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Originally Posted by zen1300
I see so many posts where folks are paying the dealer to wrench on their bikes (Stage 1, 2, pipes/carb adjust, etc.).

The parts are expensive enough, why do so many people pay the dealer?
Lets just say the average harley rider today isn't what they used to be. Was you had to be a man to ride one now it just a takes a good credit rating..

And in their defense bikes today are not exactly user friendly when it comes to wrenching, oop's cost's lots more....
 

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Originally Posted by zen1300
Prof Rene,

Don't get me wrong... not begrudging... I was curious more about if there were specific issues with Harleys.

I had a Sportster before and didn't do much to it. I had a Honda VTX and there was a large forum of people modifying - I took it apart completely and completely customized it - learned to wrench on it. I just don't see the same level of mod help as I did with the VTX. Maybe Harleys just don't need the same level of modding.
My first ride was a Honda VT1100C3, it was the single pin motor that Honda put out to try and copy the Harley Vtwin except they went with liquid cooling. I was a member of their forum when I had the bike and there were a few that were into trying to eek out more power. The problem was IMO there isn't alot of aftermarket available for the metrics so if you wanted more hp or handling you had to be creative and do it yourself because the dealers were just there for routine service and mechanical repair.
Harley is different IMO because they will mod the bike at the dealer with a warranty.
I'm a fairly capable wrench and right now my ride is a 06 Electraglide. I do maintenance and repairs that don't require special tools. If I ever decide to change the cam/ cam plate assy I will hire a indy because I've never done it and I would rather have someone that has more experience to do it for me.
 
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