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Old 05-11-2019, 05:16 PM
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I did this.



I drilled straight down through the riser cap and bars. Threaded the hole and ran a chrome bolt down. Your apes will never move again.
 
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Old 05-11-2019, 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Hey Man
I did this.



I drilled straight down through the riser cap and bars. Threaded the hole and ran a chrome bolt down. Your apes will never move again.
Did something similar with a dowel pin in the chopper days, problem was eventually the bars cracked at the dowel hole.
 
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Old 05-11-2019, 05:58 PM
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Wrapped emory cloth around my bars under the clamp, a small dab of loctite on the bolts and they haven't moved again since.
 
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Old 05-11-2019, 05:59 PM
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Hey, much thanks all - I see this is a well know issue. I've got them back up now. I've got them torqued to 32 foot pounds - (shop manual says 30-40, i'm using a harbor freight wrench so it may be 3,200 - they feel really tight). When I have more time, I'll explore some of the options above. Thanks again for all the great suggestions.

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Old 05-11-2019, 06:08 PM
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If you haven't changed out your bushings , I would start there and then buy a one piece top clamp with set screws . The combination of both should solve your problem .
 
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32 ft/lbs is way too much torque on those 5/16" bolts. Not only are you at or exceeding the maximum torque (stretch) on the bolts you are putting the threads on the aluminum risers under too much stress. You wouldn't be the first to strip out the threads with those hardened grade 8 cap screws. I personally would much rather feel the warning of a loose handlebar that rotates slightly than face a total separation of parts due to catastrophic failure of fasteners which comes with zero warning. Try my recommendation of the centre punch indentations inside the smooth risers and cap along with a more reasonable torque spec. HD service manual states 12-15 ft/lbs so I wouldn't dare exceed 18-20 max.
 
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I just had this happen today so I did this guys trick :


I used Drywall Sanding Screen , We'll see if it works but it sure seems like it will.
 
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Find a younger ape.
 
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Originally Posted by wide glider
32 ft/lbs is way too much torque on those 5/16" bolts. Not only are you at or exceeding the maximum torque (stretch) on the bolts you are putting the threads on the aluminum risers under too much stress. You wouldn't be the first to strip out the threads with those hardened grade 8 cap screws. I personally would much rather feel the warning of a loose handlebar that rotates slightly than face a total separation of parts due to catastrophic failure of fasteners which comes with zero warning. Try my recommendation of the centre punch indentations inside the smooth risers and cap along with a more reasonable torque spec. HD service manual states 12-15 ft/lbs so I wouldn't dare exceed 18-20 max.
Thanks, like an idiot, I applied the wrong text to the diagram. I backed them down to 16. I'll pick up some new bolts next week!
 
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Old 05-12-2019, 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by rjo3491
Took about a 100 mile ride today (it's cold here in the mitten state). Hit a few bumps (our roads are beyond terrible here) and noticed I had to keep adjusting my mirrors upwards due to the fact that my handle bars were making a beeline for my chest every time I hit a bump. I've got them over torqued (John Maxwell said that was OK), but I don't want to keep adjusting them and ultimately strip the knurling and end up having to get new bars. Anyone else have this problem - if so, what are you doing?
I have been running Apes on my last 7 bikes. I had the issue your describing on the first one. I way over torqued and they would still move.

Started using Paul Yaffe Super clamp. The bars will bend before they will move.

Super Clamp

I will never install apes with out the super clamp
 


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