Reminiscing, grandfather's 1948 trip
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I'm saying because I believe Internet Brand's can/or could claim copyright though their terms of service. I'm not certain where I'm heading with with the materials I have, some of what I have has provided me with the knowledge to research and access some interesting angles. I have spent 15 years doing deep research on the Motor Company and Wisconsin motorcycling accumulating an extensive archive of material.
I learned the hard way to be careful in what I put out there. When I first delved into the motorcycling history community I naively put some family photos on a message board seeking some communication with recognized figures, within two weeks a couple of ebay sellers were offering my family photos for sale and listing them with their watermarks on the photos. It took me at least a year to put an end to that and finally see them disappear from ebay. Then several years ago I provided an antique club with some information and images for a historic project they were working on, they sought copyright and trademark protection for some of the resulting work derived from my contributions but then backhandedly and without notifying me attempted to exclude me from any future use of said materials. Only through a close friendship made during this process was I made aware of what was going on and as club secretary he made sure a legal document was drafted & notarized providing me clear future use. The club got wind of his actions and unceremoniously ran him out. More recently I had been in contact with recognized motorcycling book author on a project. Through conversations we discovered that some of my material and research was beyond his in a couple of areas and he wanted to include it in his book. His offer to me was send all that you've got, I'll sort through it and use it as I see fit and then maybe name you in the acknowledgments.
I learned the hard way to be careful in what I put out there. When I first delved into the motorcycling history community I naively put some family photos on a message board seeking some communication with recognized figures, within two weeks a couple of ebay sellers were offering my family photos for sale and listing them with their watermarks on the photos. It took me at least a year to put an end to that and finally see them disappear from ebay. Then several years ago I provided an antique club with some information and images for a historic project they were working on, they sought copyright and trademark protection for some of the resulting work derived from my contributions but then backhandedly and without notifying me attempted to exclude me from any future use of said materials. Only through a close friendship made during this process was I made aware of what was going on and as club secretary he made sure a legal document was drafted & notarized providing me clear future use. The club got wind of his actions and unceremoniously ran him out. More recently I had been in contact with recognized motorcycling book author on a project. Through conversations we discovered that some of my material and research was beyond his in a couple of areas and he wanted to include it in his book. His offer to me was send all that you've got, I'll sort through it and use it as I see fit and then maybe name you in the acknowledgments.
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Any plans to recreate you grandfather's ride. Perhaps make the same stops and see what has changed?
That could be a very cool trip and a cool thing to pass on someday if/when you have kids/grandkids
That could be a very cool trip and a cool thing to pass on someday if/when you have kids/grandkids
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I'm saying because I believe Internet Brand's can/or could claim copyright though their terms of service. I'm not certain where I'm heading with with the materials I have, some of what I have has provided me with the knowledge to research and access some interesting angles. I have spent 15 years doing deep research on the Motor Company and Wisconsin motorcycling accumulating an extensive archive of material.
I learned the hard way to be careful in what I put out there. When I first delved into the motorcycling history community I naively put some family photos on a message board seeking some communication with recognized figures, within two weeks a couple of ebay sellers were offering my family photos for sale and listing them with their watermarks on the photos. It took me at least a year to put an end to that and finally see them disappear from ebay. Then several years ago I provided an antique club with some information and images for a historic project they were working on, they sought copyright and trademark protection for some of the resulting work derived from my contributions but then backhandedly and without notifying me attempted to exclude me from any future use of said materials. Only through a close friendship made during this process was I made aware of what was going on and as club secretary he made sure a legal document was drafted & notarized providing me clear future use. The club got wind of his actions and unceremoniously ran him out. More recently I had been in contact with recognized motorcycling book author on a project. Through conversations we discovered that some of my material and research was beyond his in a couple of areas and he wanted to include it in his book. His offer to me was send all that you've got, I'll sort through it and use it as I see fit and then maybe name you in the acknowledgments.
I learned the hard way to be careful in what I put out there. When I first delved into the motorcycling history community I naively put some family photos on a message board seeking some communication with recognized figures, within two weeks a couple of ebay sellers were offering my family photos for sale and listing them with their watermarks on the photos. It took me at least a year to put an end to that and finally see them disappear from ebay. Then several years ago I provided an antique club with some information and images for a historic project they were working on, they sought copyright and trademark protection for some of the resulting work derived from my contributions but then backhandedly and without notifying me attempted to exclude me from any future use of said materials. Only through a close friendship made during this process was I made aware of what was going on and as club secretary he made sure a legal document was drafted & notarized providing me clear future use. The club got wind of his actions and unceremoniously ran him out. More recently I had been in contact with recognized motorcycling book author on a project. Through conversations we discovered that some of my material and research was beyond his in a couple of areas and he wanted to include it in his book. His offer to me was send all that you've got, I'll sort through it and use it as I see fit and then maybe name you in the acknowledgments.
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What a let down. I was all excited to see more pictures.
My wife’s grandfather moved from Saskatchewan to British Columbia on a Harley with a sidecar in 1949. Her grandmother rode in the sidecar pregnant with her dad.
My dad’s uncle rode Harleys in WW2.
I love the stories and memories people have.
Maybe if it isn’t too copyrighted, you could share more about it.
I am curious about the fuel log. MPG, costs etc.
My wife’s grandfather moved from Saskatchewan to British Columbia on a Harley with a sidecar in 1949. Her grandmother rode in the sidecar pregnant with her dad.
My dad’s uncle rode Harleys in WW2.
I love the stories and memories people have.
Maybe if it isn’t too copyrighted, you could share more about it.
I am curious about the fuel log. MPG, costs etc.
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Ah, you want the numbers & math.
5002 miles in 17 days for an average of 294.23 miles per day. There were four days in the 380-400 mile range. The lowest mileage day was 77 miles on the first Sunday, Florence AZ to Phoenix AZ recorded at 4 hours of time. The longest days recorded timewise were the final two at 12.5 and 13 hours consecutively.
5002 miles on 150.7 gallons of gas for an average of 33.19 mpg. The Dept of Energy records the average cost of gasoline in 1948 was 26 cents per gallon. The fuel fill costs encountered ranged from a low of 42 cents to a high of $1.00 on two occasions with price per gallon ranging from 26 cents to 32.6 cents per gallon. The cycles at that time had 3.5 gallon fuel tanks and twice a 3.5 gallon fill was recorded. I'm sure they carried spare fuel with them as they traveled with at least one sidecar rig to carry luggage, tools, etc. Two oil changes were recorded and it appears 1 qt was added roughly every 500 miles, oil cost average was about 40 cents per quart.
They lodged at cabins every night and the price per bed ranged from $2.50 to $4.00.
Only one failure I see recorded which was a broken handlebar on day 13 in New Mexico.
5002 miles in 17 days for an average of 294.23 miles per day. There were four days in the 380-400 mile range. The lowest mileage day was 77 miles on the first Sunday, Florence AZ to Phoenix AZ recorded at 4 hours of time. The longest days recorded timewise were the final two at 12.5 and 13 hours consecutively.
5002 miles on 150.7 gallons of gas for an average of 33.19 mpg. The Dept of Energy records the average cost of gasoline in 1948 was 26 cents per gallon. The fuel fill costs encountered ranged from a low of 42 cents to a high of $1.00 on two occasions with price per gallon ranging from 26 cents to 32.6 cents per gallon. The cycles at that time had 3.5 gallon fuel tanks and twice a 3.5 gallon fill was recorded. I'm sure they carried spare fuel with them as they traveled with at least one sidecar rig to carry luggage, tools, etc. Two oil changes were recorded and it appears 1 qt was added roughly every 500 miles, oil cost average was about 40 cents per quart.
They lodged at cabins every night and the price per bed ranged from $2.50 to $4.00.
Only one failure I see recorded which was a broken handlebar on day 13 in New Mexico.
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The gas prices they encountered ranged from a low of 42 cents in Milwaukee to a high of $1.00 on two occasions.
$1.00 per gallon in 1948? Am I reading that right? Or is that the cost of the fill?
Thanks again for sharing.
$1.00 per gallon in 1948? Am I reading that right? Or is that the cost of the fill?
Thanks again for sharing.