Well if this don't take the cake, I received a letter in the mail today fron Harley saying that they do not have a registration from the lean holder for my bike, [sm=dontgetit.gif], so I call the dealership and they say that HD has done a audit and that HD or the state has missplaced the title, if I have a copy of my tag reg. I will only need to fax a copy to them to get it straightned out, so I go to look at it and it's still on my old Heritage, now I knew that my wife had purchased new tags but it was also on the 04 Heritage, I call back to the dealer and she said that they don't do the registration [:@], well no one told me about that, I look in the bifold where my papers are and there it was, my title and bill of sales.
So I have been riding on a open title, no tags and false info on insurance papers, , have or you ever heard of the dealership not doing this, jeez, this is so stupid and could have cost me some heavy fines, my fault, I don't know but I will get it fixed come monday.
Oh yea, she said that they would have pd. the fines if I had gotten the ticket, Their fault.

 

Kind of makes you wonder don't it. Just imagine if you had found out a different way.[:@] Although you might have to wait till Tuesday to get it straightened out.

 

Well at least it will have a good outcome, even though your a$$ could have been on the line. Tim

 

Holy crap Mark - Seems to me that the dealer needs to review some of their policies -Most dealers not only handle this stuff but won't let you out the door without it - That is a huge mistake and left you pretty exposed. Don't get me wrong I understand people make honest mistakes and I am not trying to fan any flames on the dealer but this is a good reminder for us all to double check and make sure our paperwork etc... is in order - Glad it got all worked out before any damage was done!

 

Mark,

Your ticket is in the mail. In Illinois this is a Class 4 Felony (Open Title). Repeat after Me "I have the right to remain silent. Anything I say can (and will) be used against me in a court of law. I have the right to an attorney. If I can not afford an attorney, one will be provided for me. Understanding my rights do I really want to admit to a class 4 felony on the interney.

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NOPE

 

What happened to ME was the dealer never sent in the taxes or registration on the bike I bought. I transferred the plate from my trade-in, but when it came due I never received a renewal form. Turns out it was now a "dead tag" still registered to my old bike and the VIN from the new bike still came back to the dealer! So in essence I was riding on a dead tag on a bike that was still untitled and didn't belong to me!

PS- The dealer eventually got busted for doing this to about 2 or 3 DOZEN other people. He was pocketing the money for the taxes and tags because his business was failing.

 

Class 4 FELONY?

Sheesh.

Thank goodness nothing happened.

Mac

 

Hey Mark, here in Tn. a vehicle can actually be seized for open title situations. Hopefully not in your situation, but definitely in alot of cases. Say some guy buys a vehicle and knows that he is going to resale it and doesn't want to spend the extra money before he does, technically that vehicle could be seized.


Lynn

 

Around these parts, registration is something usually done by the new owner. If someone else does it, for example the dealership personnel, they would have to have been given specific information about insurance (ie: policy number, drivers licence number, etc.) by the new owner, because a statement has to be signed ensuring there is insurance on the motor vehicle. If there is no insurance, then the new registration can be recorded but only as "unfit" which changes title only. It still is not legal to drive (until it has insurance and has been rerecorded as "fit").

If in fact the dealership has the ability to perform this task, and does change title, then he would hand over the ownership with the new owner's name and address, licence plate number and serial number. This is the piece of paper you must produce to prove registration information. It comes directly from the Ministry of Motor Vehicles. This document also must be signed by the new owner to be valid and would show "fit or "unfit".

With all these steps, there is no way to drive a newly purchased vehicle without knowing the state of affairs in regards to registration. Which confuses me to some extent. If you were given an ownership or registration for you new bike, did you read it over to see if it had the proper information on it. Perhaps that would have been an indication that something was amiss. What also confuses me is, if you had the title in your name with the correct VIN number etc, how can you be responsible if the dealership doesn't send the paperwork in. Who would be responsible had you had an accident? If you paid the taxes to them but they weren't remitted that would be their problem, not yours.

Ultimately, I believe it to be the new owner's responsibility to ensure this is done correctly (if in fact it's your butt on the line).

I think you should thank your lucky stars that you found out about this before it was too late. Fines might not be your worse problem. This could have been a nightmare!