WHEN ARE MOTORCYCLIST ?????
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ORIGINAL: Kolni
I have no idea what that means.
What do you think she should be charged for?
Because she was held accountable for the action she violated, and her insurance will cover the rest. That is why we have insurance.
Yeah it sucks about your friend, but accidnets happen.
Again I ask, do you want to put everyone in jail that causes an accident? Cause that would be 1/2 the population.
ORIGINAL: HarleyForeverFLHX
If I understood correctly. she had 10/20/10.
If I understood correctly. she had 10/20/10.
What do you think she should be charged for?
Because she was held accountable for the action she violated, and her insurance will cover the rest. That is why we have insurance.
Yeah it sucks about your friend, but accidnets happen.
Again I ask, do you want to put everyone in jail that causes an accident? Cause that would be 1/2 the population.
My HOG Chapter had a lawyer come in and discuss this recently, and it was an eye opener.
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Well I can bet almost all the bikers on this forum are underinsured. When I had my accident. The emergency charge for bring brought in the door was $3000. By the time we got out which was four hours later, and we walked out, was $16,000.00 I here motorcycle accidents range from $12,000 to %100,000 easy. So you got underinsured. Thats $10,000 , then the moron that hit you has 10/20/10 which is $10,000. So where are you being taken care of with bills and work ???? OH ! And don't forget. the person that ran you over is sitting at work the next day. You think He's sorry ? Guess how many guilty persons in a accident i've seen pay out of there pockets just because they care ? -O- .
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RE: WHEN ARE MOTORCYCLIST ?????
I believe the Bodily Injury and Uninsured Motorist Bodily Injury minimum amount is set by the insurance commission of each state, so it probably varies depending on your location.
I just checked my policy and the Bodily Injury (each person/each accident) is $50,000/$100,000, with the same amount for the Uninsured Motorist Bodily Injury coverage.
Hopefully if I was involved in an accident the person at fault would probably have the same minimum coverage.
If not, just cart me down to the VA Hospital until I recover....
I just checked my policy and the Bodily Injury (each person/each accident) is $50,000/$100,000, with the same amount for the Uninsured Motorist Bodily Injury coverage.
Hopefully if I was involved in an accident the person at fault would probably have the same minimum coverage.
If not, just cart me down to the VA Hospital until I recover....
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RE: WHEN ARE MOTORCYCLIST ?????
ORIGINAL: HarleyForeverFLHX
WOW , what a mind set. And you're a public servant also. Thank you very much for showing the whole forum how the rest of the world thinks. Hey...It wasn't my kid or my fault. Fu*kit. Would I want my son in jail ? Or my daughter ? OH OF COURSE NOT ! YOU KNOW, COME TO THINK OF IT, LET'S MAKE OUR LAWS EASIER. THAT WAY I WONT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT MY FAMILY AND MY LIFE AND MY POCKETBOOK, AS LONG AS IT'S NOT ME.
And when YOU or your spoiled rotten kid kills someone , you hire the best lawyers to make the ignescent look guilty and your precious child goes on killing for another day. How dare we have the gaul to think we could put your little precious in jail ?
If my child gets on the street and is negligent and takes another families life. Your dam right I want her to suffer the consequences. Kids today think the road is a place to play, put on makeup, talk on the c phone, play with the radio, fight with friends , look at how beautiful each other is.
Everyone knows in America today, there's very little consequences for accidents other than higher premiums. With that mind set, nothing will get better.
I am curious though, you being a cop and all. In all your years of experience, what would in your opinion, do you think would help motorcyclist ?
ORIGINAL: sldavis
With all due respect, some of the suggestions here are just plain nuts. After working vehicle collisions for over 20 years, i can tell you that just about all motor vehicle accidents are caused by some kind of negligence. Drivers are human, and as such it is impossible to drive all the time and never become distracted, or inattentive for short periods of time. Now I'm all for banning the use of cell phones in moving vehicles, as research has found that a person on the cell phone is as dangerous as a DUI driver. But some of the penalties called for here....c'mon. You may think it will never happen to you, but if some of these would be passed, would you really want to have your son or daughter thrown in jail or given the needle because they had a traffic accident??? Just be careful of what you ask for, because just about every driver will be involved in an accident at one point in their driving career, and someone will be at fault 100% of the time. Next time it could be you or one of your loved ones that could be on the recieving end of this "kill them, throw them in jail, chase them down and beat the **** out of them" mentality
With all due respect, some of the suggestions here are just plain nuts. After working vehicle collisions for over 20 years, i can tell you that just about all motor vehicle accidents are caused by some kind of negligence. Drivers are human, and as such it is impossible to drive all the time and never become distracted, or inattentive for short periods of time. Now I'm all for banning the use of cell phones in moving vehicles, as research has found that a person on the cell phone is as dangerous as a DUI driver. But some of the penalties called for here....c'mon. You may think it will never happen to you, but if some of these would be passed, would you really want to have your son or daughter thrown in jail or given the needle because they had a traffic accident??? Just be careful of what you ask for, because just about every driver will be involved in an accident at one point in their driving career, and someone will be at fault 100% of the time. Next time it could be you or one of your loved ones that could be on the recieving end of this "kill them, throw them in jail, chase them down and beat the **** out of them" mentality
WOW , what a mind set. And you're a public servant also. Thank you very much for showing the whole forum how the rest of the world thinks. Hey...It wasn't my kid or my fault. Fu*kit. Would I want my son in jail ? Or my daughter ? OH OF COURSE NOT ! YOU KNOW, COME TO THINK OF IT, LET'S MAKE OUR LAWS EASIER. THAT WAY I WONT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT MY FAMILY AND MY LIFE AND MY POCKETBOOK, AS LONG AS IT'S NOT ME.
And when YOU or your spoiled rotten kid kills someone , you hire the best lawyers to make the ignescent look guilty and your precious child goes on killing for another day. How dare we have the gaul to think we could put your little precious in jail ?
If my child gets on the street and is negligent and takes another families life. Your dam right I want her to suffer the consequences. Kids today think the road is a place to play, put on makeup, talk on the c phone, play with the radio, fight with friends , look at how beautiful each other is.
Everyone knows in America today, there's very little consequences for accidents other than higher premiums. With that mind set, nothing will get better.
I am curious though, you being a cop and all. In all your years of experience, what would in your opinion, do you think would help motorcyclist ?
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[quote]ORIGINAL: sldavis
Well if you wanna back up a minute, I'll answer your questions. First off, I'm not a public servant anymore. I was injured in a traffic collision while on duty, with a college girl that ran a red light and t-boned me, ruining my neck and back. I guess I should have got out and beat her to death, as some have suggested here. Or, maybe she should have gone to prison the rest of her young life because she ran a red light. That'd make me feel better and make my injuries go away, right? Look, I have no sympathy for someone who is out here DUI, or recklessly operating their vehicle, and when they hurt or kill someone they should definitely paythe penalty. But everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, who drives a motor vehicle any amount of time will at one point or another have an instance where they cause or almost cause a collision with another vehicle due to distraction, not paying attention, or simply HUA. You want to criminalize it. Harsher penalties are not going to change the fact that people are human beings, and as such are prone to mistakes. Sometimes when we are driving, simple mistakes cause damage. And as motorcylists, we will always be on the losing end. But you know what, most people understand that, and that is why we have civil recourse. So you are fine with the idea that if your child misses a stop sign one time, or changes lanes without seeing someone and causes a colli
ORIGINAL: HarleyForeverFLHX
WOW , what a mind set. And you're a public servant also. Thank you very much for showing the whole forum how the rest of the world thinks. Hey...It wasn't my kid or my fault. Fu*kit. Would I want my son in jail ? Or my daughter ? OH OF COURSE NOT ! YOU KNOW, COME TO THINK OF IT, LET'S MAKE OUR LAWS EASIER. THAT WAY I WONT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT MY FAMILY AND MY LIFE AND MY POCKETBOOK, AS LONG AS IT'S NOT ME.
And when YOU or your spoiled rotten kid kills someone , you hire the best lawyers to make the ignescent look guilty and your precious child goes on killing for another day. How dare we have the gaul to think we could put your little precious in jail ?
If my child gets on the street and is negligent and takes another families life. Your dam right I want her to suffer the consequences. Kids today think the road is a place to play, put on makeup, talk on the c phone, play with the radio, fight with friends , look at how beautiful each other is.
Everyone knows in America today, there's very little consequences for accidents other than higher premiums. With that mind set, nothing will get better.
I am curious though, you being a cop and all. In all your years of experience, what would in your opinion, do you think would help motorcyclist ?
ORIGINAL: sldavis
With all due respect, some of the suggestions here are just plain nuts. After working vehicle collisions for over 20 years, i can tell you that just about all motor vehicle accidents are caused by some kind of negligence. Drivers are human, and as such it is impossible to drive all the time and never become distracted, or inattentive for short periods of time. Now I'm all for banning the use of cell phones in moving vehicles, as research has found that a person on the cell phone is as dangerous as a DUI driver. But some of the penalties called for here....c'mon. You may think it will never happen to you, but if some of these would be passed, would you really want to have your son or daughter thrown in jail or given the needle because they had a traffic accident??? Just be careful of what you ask for, because just about every driver will be involved in an accident at one point in their driving career, and someone will be at fault 100% of the time. Next time it could be you or one of your loved ones that could be on the recieving end of this "kill them, throw them in jail, chase them down and beat the **** out of them" mentality
With all due respect, some of the suggestions here are just plain nuts. After working vehicle collisions for over 20 years, i can tell you that just about all motor vehicle accidents are caused by some kind of negligence. Drivers are human, and as such it is impossible to drive all the time and never become distracted, or inattentive for short periods of time. Now I'm all for banning the use of cell phones in moving vehicles, as research has found that a person on the cell phone is as dangerous as a DUI driver. But some of the penalties called for here....c'mon. You may think it will never happen to you, but if some of these would be passed, would you really want to have your son or daughter thrown in jail or given the needle because they had a traffic accident??? Just be careful of what you ask for, because just about every driver will be involved in an accident at one point in their driving career, and someone will be at fault 100% of the time. Next time it could be you or one of your loved ones that could be on the recieving end of this "kill them, throw them in jail, chase them down and beat the **** out of them" mentality
WOW , what a mind set. And you're a public servant also. Thank you very much for showing the whole forum how the rest of the world thinks. Hey...It wasn't my kid or my fault. Fu*kit. Would I want my son in jail ? Or my daughter ? OH OF COURSE NOT ! YOU KNOW, COME TO THINK OF IT, LET'S MAKE OUR LAWS EASIER. THAT WAY I WONT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT MY FAMILY AND MY LIFE AND MY POCKETBOOK, AS LONG AS IT'S NOT ME.
And when YOU or your spoiled rotten kid kills someone , you hire the best lawyers to make the ignescent look guilty and your precious child goes on killing for another day. How dare we have the gaul to think we could put your little precious in jail ?
If my child gets on the street and is negligent and takes another families life. Your dam right I want her to suffer the consequences. Kids today think the road is a place to play, put on makeup, talk on the c phone, play with the radio, fight with friends , look at how beautiful each other is.
Everyone knows in America today, there's very little consequences for accidents other than higher premiums. With that mind set, nothing will get better.
I am curious though, you being a cop and all. In all your years of experience, what would in your opinion, do you think would help motorcyclist ?
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Let's leave the purposeful acts out of it. I have already said that if someone is DUI or driving wrecklessly that theyneed to be punished appropirately. But you seem to think that by stiffening penalties, we can legislate accidents into not happening. You can't. They are called accidents for a reason, they are not caused on purpose. Unless you can figure out how to make people perfect drivers, there will always be accidents. And, as motorcyclists, we will always be on the losing end of these collisions. If you cannot accept that fact, it is time to get off the bike and back into a car where you have protection. By your numbers 4680 motorcylists die each year, did you look up how many people die each year in automobiles? Look, I get as pissed as anyone when I have a close call with some idiotic non driving sob on a cell phone, but I know it's going to happen, look for it, and accept that fact when I get on the bike. When I can't accept it's going to happen, I will quit riding. Accidents happen, and nothing you or I can do will ever change that. People have been running into each other since the inception of automobiles.
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ORIGINAL: da_big_Guy
I am to the point where I think it is time to spread the rumor of threats to idiot drivers. Email is a very effective way to spread information, good or bad. I wonder if an email went around that said bikers have had enough and are vowing to follow stupid drivers to their destination and beat their facesagainst their bumpers, would this make at least some people take more notice of bikers? If theemail said that bikers havesworn to one another to take vengeance on someone who kills another biker due to negligence,in other words, we will takeretribution in ourown hands since obviously our lawmakes can forcezeroresponsibility or accountability on the general public. The good thing is, a message like this could have a positive effect without having a thread of truth.
I am to the point where I think it is time to spread the rumor of threats to idiot drivers. Email is a very effective way to spread information, good or bad. I wonder if an email went around that said bikers have had enough and are vowing to follow stupid drivers to their destination and beat their facesagainst their bumpers, would this make at least some people take more notice of bikers? If theemail said that bikers havesworn to one another to take vengeance on someone who kills another biker due to negligence,in other words, we will takeretribution in ourown hands since obviously our lawmakes can forcezeroresponsibility or accountability on the general public. The good thing is, a message like this could have a positive effect without having a thread of truth.
I don't know about you guys, but I know the risks of riding and I accept them.
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RE: WHEN ARE MOTORCYCLIST ?????
ORIGINAL: sniper77
Sorry, but I call Bull$#!t on that one.
Of course if you are lumping anyone that measures .08 to .16 into that equation you would be close since drivers in that DUI range seldom ever have an accident.
ORIGINAL: sldavis
....research has found that a person on the cell phone is as dangerous as a DUI driver.
....research has found that a person on the cell phone is as dangerous as a DUI driver.
Of course if you are lumping anyone that measures .08 to .16 into that equation you would be close since drivers in that DUI range seldom ever have an accident.
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RE: WHEN ARE MOTORCYCLIST ?????
ORIGINAL: Geoff
Sorry to year about your friend. The girl should definitely be charged with manslaughter.
Sorry to year about your friend. The girl should definitely be charged with manslaughter.
Get real people!
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ORIGINAL: Geoff
Perhaps someone familiar with law can identify the appropriate charge.
Perhaps someone familiar with law can identify the appropriate charge.
Seriously, all of you asking that this person be charged with much more I have a question for you: Have you EVER caused an accident yourself? Have you ever driving while talking on a cell phone?
Drinking and driving?